Octuplets: Body language mother & grandmother video (part 2)

February 26, 2009

(3-10) Octuplets: Updated list of  posts

Here’s Part 2 of the interview. It is truly shocking. The birther has still not ruled out having more children. I don’t even know what to say. She has to stop and think and then she answers well “she doesn’t have any frozen embryos left”. Is this someone who understands the gravity of her situation or the impact of her selfish acts on her other children? She says the word selfishness but it has no emotion behind it.

Watch her face when she talks about having more…even one more.

What mother in her right mind – what caregiver would even consider such a thing?

What human mind could conceive of such a thing?

What hospital could actually consider releasing 8 premature infants into the custody of such a mind?

Where is DCFS?

Why aren’t they watching this?

The reasoning as to why she can’t have more? Because she “keeps hearing the word *responsibility*“.

Honestly, I cannot take this in.

The grandmother reveals that the daughter lied about her pregnancies. Lied as in more than once. Watch the daughter smile like a child in mischief. She told her mother she had a tumor (like she told the sperm donor who came forward).

Lying like that is pathological in its own right. And she said it more than once and to different people.

The grandmother is much more animated here. I wish I knew the timeline to these interviews and would sure like to watch the unedited film. I hope Kaiser Permanente is watching these. It is absolutely appalling.

All eight of the octuplets could be blind and have severe cognitive deficits and she hasn’t ruled out having more? She finds it all a joke.

What is it going to take?

She thinks this is some sort of game. There are 14 lives in her hands. 14 human souls who are subject to her (lack of) judgment.

How many of you would let her watch your child unsupervised? A child of any age?

What was your very first thought?

And she will be caring for 14:

• Octuplet 10 weeks premature infants
• 6 older children age 7 to 2 y/o twins
• 3/6 older children with neurological disabilities
• Boy with autism cannot feed himself
• Octuplets at high risk for developmental delay, including irreparable physical and cognitive deficits with just a minimum of neglect.

And she thinks she is going to finish her school degree and write books during the night to support 15 people?

And she actually had to hesitate when asked if she was going to have more?

How much more divorced from reality can one get?

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They must have asked about when she knew her daughter was pregnant.

ANGELA: I didn’t really know in the beginning because she’s kind of, uh, [laughs], sneaky, I don’t know how to say this.

Nadya making a face at the camera.

ANGELA: She’s done the other ones, you know, without letting me know. Then all of the sudden, her stomach is growing [laughing] bigger and bigger.

More faces by Nadya.

ANGELA: And I say what’s going on and she says ‘oh, I have a tumor.’

She stares at Nadya.

ANGELA [amused]: Yeah, right.

NADYA: I don’t apologize for my children and I never would. And I love them more than I have have ever known love in my life.

That was completely unveiled attack on her mother and their is no real emotion attached.

This whole segment she tries to act how she is “supposed to”. The kids have to pick up on this resentment even when they’re not saying anything.Their dynamic goes beyond pathologic and 8 more innocent lives are being added to the mix.

ANGELA [angry]: How you gonna provide them? What’re you thinking?!

NADYA: I have another year and a half for my degree…

The camera goes to Angela who rolls her eyes, shakes her head and chuckles.

I would have loved to know what the other people in the room did at that moment.

Then she goes into alternative ways – that she’s a good writer. She said that before she was going to write a book about the challenges of raising a child with autism and the other kids. So she found one child with autism a challenge?

The more this woman talks the more she reveals she had children out of her own selfish desires. And who exactly would she be counseling?

Pregnant teens?

Again she uses impersonal to refer to her own children.

NADYA: And I always plan writing a book about the challenges of raising a child with autism, and the other kids. Now, it’s going to be bigger, cuz [she pauses - the thought attempts to register] of the eight more. So that’s another option.

ANGELA: When are you going to find time to write?

NADYA: Middle of the night.

ANGELA: You’re going to have 14 children.

NADYA: [Laughs] Middle of the night.

ANGELA: Think about it.

NADYA: I know.

ANGELA: [Laughing] The grandma is not going to be there all the time.

How delusional is this woman?

Does she think 14 children are all going to be sleeping in the middle of the night?

And where is grandma going to be?

NADYA: If I can experience something that is so extraordinary where people can’t wrap their minds around it. And I still haven’t been able to – I feel as though that is giving me the strength.

ANGELA: I hope you’re done, otherwise we really need some help. And I’m talking about…

NADYA: I believe it was…

ANGELA:…psychological. [Chuckles.]

Really do need help?

They’ve needed help for decades and the children will for decades to come unless someone steps.

And what was the *it*. The grandmother goes right to the embryos.

Why are they even needing to discuss this more than one sentence?

NADYA: …the epitome, the epitome of selfishness. I have to completely wrap myself in a bubble and my children and my family and not allow other people’s perspectives to affect me because that will drain me of my energy…

Angela makes a face and nods to someone like, do you hear this crap? She doesn’t believe it’s over.

And from Nadya’s own words – neither does she.

Here’s a view of her madness – the only true emotion I have seen from her. I would like to know who she made that look to – if she was actually looking at someone.

NADYA: …that I need to sublimate to my children. That would be the epitome of selfishness [she smiles] to even [she looks down and then up] consider [strange look-she's already considering it] having any more – even one more. No, of course not.

If it was – “no, of course not” than all those other words weren’t necessary.

Watch this little bit over. It’s the only genuine emotion I have seen from her. Her look at *consider* was one of true madness.

ANGELA: I really hope so. As long as she is not going to continue this.

Why is she expecting her to stop?

Was she successful in stopping her before?

And why is there anything conditional related to more pregnancies?

This conversation proves it is still a possibility because the possibility of it still exists in both of their minds.

What more evidence is necessary?

Nadya makes a face at the camera. She has the behavior of an 5 y/o. They are talking about her having more children when she already has 14 and she’s making a face behind her mother’s back as it were.

ANGELA: I mean it seem as if shes obsessive compulsive and she needs to keep doing this. And I hope, she’s not.

[She leans into Nadya, weirdly chummy.]

ANGELA: Is 14 enough?

NADYA: I don’t…well…even if I..well, I don’t have any frozen embryos.

Angela sighs and rolls her eyes.

Why isn’t she screaming?

NADYA: And I think it’s my-I keep hearing the word responsibility. Yes, this isn’t necess-this isn’t a right…

[She looks at her mother to make sure she got the party line right]

…this is a responsibility. So I have no choice.

She has to say out loud that she has no choice?

She had no choice 13 children ago.

NADYA: I have to delve completely into the role of motherhood.

To delve as to live and dwell inside her mind, hence the *role*.

She has been playing the role and the grandmother has been acting like one.

She catches herself.

NADYA: I have been. But now it’s gonna be you live, you breathe, you-you, everything around you is nothing but caretaking.

She’s reading from a script. She takes a peek at her mother to make sure she got the answer right.

NADYA: And that’s a responsibility and you have to live up to that.

ANGELA: Unfortunately. Right.

So who has been caring for those kids?

DCFS would you please talk with the oldest girl to get the truth about what has been going on in this house?

Note she never said *I*. She said *you*. I have never heard he call her children by name – not even by gender. AndI have never heard her connect herself in the same sentence to as them.

The grandma is getting something out of being an aggrieved martyr or this wouldn’t still be going on.

Now listen to the fake outrage when birther talks about adoption. It’s clear who the “anyone” is – we heard it in the last video – and she puts the emphasis on the word *many* and looks at her mother basically screaming that her mother didn’t love her.

Her mother must believe it because she is clearly working overtime to make it up to the grandkids – and that is what the daughter has been relying on. The pathology is stunning.

I wonder if she has ever had to take care of her children alone as in just her and for how long.  It’s clear who the anyone is.

NADYA: I have to disagree with anyone who would even have the audacity to says that any of these children should be adopted [She refers to them as a collection of things.], because I have more love for these children than, I think - well almost, I’m sure many parents would have just as much love.

But this is something that I find to be really a joke.

She looks at her mother.

NADYA: Because anyone who would say, because this is so sensationalized – it’s not real to people. When they see them coming home, and see me doing the very best I can, and giving them everything I can. Plus help with family and friends and getting together as a community to help with these children and help them thrive.

Look at the grandmother’s face. She knows it’s all a fantasy. And again the daughter uses impersonal pronouns to refer her own children. They’re abstract things in her mind. It’s “not real” to her.

Now listen to her explanation of why she isn’t worried. She can’t even convince herself – her voice gives it away. Her oldest daughter probably has more insight than she does.

ANGELA: I’m worried.

[Nodding and looking at Nadya. She knows her daughter still does not get it.]

ANGELA: I’m worried about the future.

NADYA: People can’t comprehend, just like my mom can’t comprehend, really…

ANGELA [shakes her head and looks up]: Nope. You’re right.

NADYA: …why I’m not worried, cuz I do have strong faith that, you know, that I will find a way, or through my strength, that by God, uh, to tap into my greatest resources, inner resources and strengths, and find a way.

What does that sentence mean? She sounds like a preteen writing in a diary how she imagines motherhood would be. If interested, cut and paste just her words together. All that’s missing is the unicorn.

She is detached from reality.

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(1-30) Octuplets: Ethics of fertility treatment?
(1-30) Octuplets: What is really going on?
(2-9) Octuplets: Should not go home with that woman
(2-9) Octuplets: Octuplets: already filthy house unfit for children (pix)
(2-23) Octuplets: Mother vs grandmother caught on tape
(2-24) Octuplets: Cosmetic surgery, IVF, food stamps, disability, bankruptcy & foreclosure
(2-24) Octuplets: Mother before/after plastic surgery & Angelina Jolie (pix)
(2-25) Octuplets: Grandfather on Oprah daughter “not mentally complete”
(2-25) Octuplets: Hospital questioning her ability to care for children
(2-26) Octuplets: Video of inside the home
(2-26) Octuplets: Body language mother vs grandmother video(Part 1)
(2-26) Octuplets: Body language mother vs grandmother video(Part 2)
(2-27) Octuplets: Man claiming to be sperm donor
(2-27) Octuplets: Grandmother on The Early Show (Part 1)
(2-27) Octuplets: Grandmother on The Early Show (Part 2)
(2-27) Octuplets: Grandmother on The Early Show (Part 3)
(2-27) Octuplets: Grandmother’s first interview (Feb 9th)
(2-29) Octuplets: What about the other children?
(3-3) Octuplets: Gloria Allred & *Angels in Waiting* (CBS video)
(3-3) Octuplets: Gloria Allred & *Angels in Waiting* offer (press conference)
(3-2) Octuplets: *Angels in Waiting’s* free 24/7 care for all 14 REFUSED
(3-2) Octuplets: What is it going to take?
(3-3) Octuplets: Sen Hudgens (R-GA) “Octomom Bill”