March 30, 2009
(3-30) Octuplets: Updated list of posts
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The scum continues to rise to the top. Victor Munoz who quit because Nadya “is nuts!” has has come forward to defend Nadya. Who can possibly believe any of these people? The first publicist, Joann Killeen, who also quit (death threats), believed Nadya when she said she was working and supporting the children herself without welfare. Killeen came forward on the 26th and explained that her duties included playing with and bathing the older children. About Nadya and her parents:
KILLEEN: They have a unique way of using people. Manipulating people, getting what they want and moving on.
And now Munoz, who said it was a matter of conscience that he couldn’t work for Nadya – no mention of Allred or AIW – is sticking up for Nadya. How much is he getting paid by Radaronline?
Here is what he said to Usmagazine when he quit. Note that not a word of it mentions AIW or Gloria Allred – just greedy, nutty Nadya.
It just got to be too much. It’s pretty much a free for all over there right now. They are freaking out right now. Not to sound arrogant, but those people depended on me for everything. You have no idea what I’ve had to do for these people.
NADYA GOT REAL GREEDY.
THIS WOMAN IS NUTS.
This I can say: what ultimately destroyed the business arrangement was personal reasons.
In good conscience, I can’t continue representing Nadya.
But his conscience is just fine defending her for a little cash on the side. Everyone associated with her is nuts. The real reason for his coming forward is revealed near the end of the interview. He mentioned that Nadya’s lawyer, Jeff Czech, said on the Dr Phil show that no one could have guessed what would happen when the first octuplets came home. He said: I did! And then went on to defend himself about getting security in place. This interview took place after he saw the Dr Phil show – later that same day. He is just defending himself – he actually says things have gone downhill since he left – implying they were fine when he was there – so if they were – why the complaints now?
Bottom line: no matter what he says in this video or tomorrow or on the witness stand – he “in good conscience” walked away and he said she was NUTS & GREEDY. Period.
Here is Mr Munoz talking with Dr Phil on Larry King - he admits to being intimidated by Gloria Allred and Dr Phil.
The entire transcript is in another post – follow the link above. CNN video doesn’t embed here.
DR PHIL: …are you concerned about her level of problem solving, her level of problem recognition?
MUNOZ: You know what, I don’t. At first, before I met her and I was watching her on television and, also, I was thinking the same thing. But getting to know her and really understanding her — I mean I think I spend more time with her than just about anybody does right now. And the more I get to know her, the more I know she is level-headed. You know, there’s — I mean there’s nothing wrong with her. She’s a sweet lady.
So, first impression she’s not together…then she’s level-headed, sweet and there’s nothing wrong with her…then she’s nuts and greedy and his conscience won’t allow him to work with her…and now she’s sweet and needs defending. This man wouldn’t even make it into the witness box. Gloria Allred would probably love to cross examine him. Just listen and read his own words. His own words and tone of voice say exactly what his agenda is.
Here Dr Phil discusses transparency:
MCGRAW: Is she prepared to accept the reality that if these children come home to her, that there has to be total transparency, where the proper authorities, agencies, nurses, whatever, can see what’s going on with those children?
MUNOZ: Absolutely. She knows that her life is going to be an open book.
Seems she forgot very quickly. And in this radaronline interview he says what she does in not anyone’s business as long as she’s not spending the government’s money – which she still is and has been doing since before she started producing babies. Her hospital bill combined with the octuplets has got to be well over a milllion dollars. Kaiser nurses she is using now she is not paying for – California taxpayers are.
As far how as he got his job.
MCGRAW: OK. All right. Now, let me ask you — and then I want to get back to what is going to be required for these children. You’ve taken over as the publicist in this situation. You were asked to do so. You didn’t ask for this, it asked for you.
MUNOZ: I never asked for this.
But he accepted the job and then walked away and is now defending himself by pretending to defend Nadya.
Dr Phil talking with Allred via satellite during the same show.
MCGRAW: And he [Munoz] says that he can’t understand why you’re involved and that he feels threatened, on behalf of his client, that they’re going to be pushed or bullied into something.
Then the interview with Munoz continues.
DR PHIL: What’s wrong with the offer?
MUNOZ: The offer itself, I don’t know. I don’t know what the whole offer is. I have tried to call Linda directly and I haven’t received a phone call back. There’s just not enough hours in the day for me to drive out and see Gloria Allred in Los Angeles and make the meeting on her time
So something that he now says he felt uncomfortable about he didn’t have time to bother with. So what do his words mean? And which ones?
MCGRAW: Do you feel threatened and bullied by her with ultimatums and deadlines and that sort of thing?
MUNOZ: A little. When you hear Gloria Allred, obviously, you feel that way. And me being someone that’s never done this before, I do. And that’s pretty much it.
So he admits to his castration anxiety, which is what it usually comes down to. But that’s not all – he’s scared of Dr Phil.
MCGRAW: Remember the first night this came up, I told you that I knew Gloria. And I said she was a good egg.
MUNOZ: You did. I understand.
MCGRAW: And you’re probably questioning that.
MUNOZ: I did. I’m a little scared of you too.
In this radaronline he talks about the “anonymous help” he alleges he had lined up but never implemented. He also talked about it with Dr Phil. So why didn’t he as Nadya’s agent push for it then – especially if he felt uncomfortable with AIW? That’s his job – to look out for Nadya and he wasn’t. And then he quit.
MUNOZ: You’re right. If I can get 30 seconds, basically what’s been going on in the last two weeks is I have been working hard with Kaiser. They have been really putting together a great plan to have these children come home. I’ve been getting a lot of calls, a lot of people anonymously that have been wanting to help. We have a lot of help out there.
But what did he do about it? Nothing. He said to radaronline that “he knew from day one that it would not work.”
And his solution?
He says AIW “didn’t understand the way Nadya thought.”
How does she think? Does she? A responsible mother would not have walked back into that IVF facility to get implanted with 6 more embyros – something she finally admitted to. Her father said to Oprah that she’s “not mentally complete” and could Oprah get her a mental evaluation and her mother said Nadya was incapable of caring for those children.
Munoz talks about the Kaiser list:
The misunderstanding is that nobody ever said to Dr Phil that the kids were not gonna come home if the list was [sic] completely finished….the list did not say the kids aren’t not coming home if you don’t do these specific things - they were merely suggestions.
Not what he said to Dr Phil. See below.
That’s how it was spun…I’m the one…I’m the one...this list that was really nothing.
Here’s what Munoz said about the list to Dr Phil in their Larry King interview. Munoz made it clear that they had to do the things on the list and that they were more than “suggestions”. Dr Phil clearly says Nadya and Munoz called him and Munoz does not correct him. Opposite of what he says in this radaronline video.
MCGRAW: Good. On Wednesday, you and Nadya called me at the studio right before we taped the last part of the interview show that we put up. And she was very concerned at that point because of a meeting that you guys had had with the Kaiser Permanente people, saying that there had to be certain standards met, of course, which makes common sense. What did they say specifically and who were you talking to and where is that now?
MUNOZ: Well, we were talking with Kaiser. We had a big meeting with, you know, basically, the whole entire staff that was helping her out. And it was one of the first meetings we had talking about releasing the babies. And it hit her. It hit her hard. She realized that she does have eight babies coming home. And she’s excited, she’s scared. And she wants to get the house ready in time for these kids to come home.
MCGRAW: Was there a conclusion that the house was not ready at that point, based on what they had seen with the RadarOnline.com footage and that sort of thing?
MUNOZ: There was some. The — you know, they wanted a couple of things done, obviously, because there are preemies coming home. They wanted carpets changed, fresh paint on the walls, cracks taken care of — you know, normal maintenance on the house.
Just suggestions? Cracks in the wall?
MCGRAW: What is the progress right now on meeting the standards and requirements that you understand to be important in terms of housing and manpower and all of the things that are required to support these children?
MUNOZ: Well, you know, I mean they did ask us to do a lot, you know, as far as refreshing up the house and getting everything ready. And we’re getting close. You know, we’re almost there. You know, we’re in the middle of finding their new home. We narrowed it down to a few and we’re getting ready to pick one. That should be picked out, you know, this weekend. And once we get into that, there’s a big — there’s a big chunk of that list is taken off, you know and…
…MCGRAW: Is Nadya doing anything to prepare herself as a mother, in terms of any parenting, there’s logistics training, any type of therapeutic support from her through Kaiser Permanente or others to get herself ready for this challenge?
MUNOZ: You know what, at this point not. No, there’s nothing. I mean she’s already been taking care of six children. And she’s ready to jump into the new eight.
Then Dr Phil asked if the hospital would let more than one could go home. Remember, the list is nothing – merely suggestions.
MUNOZ: They told us we would — they would not. There’s a couple of things that need to be done. There’s — we need to redo these bedrooms. We need to make sure that there’s enough room for them, you know. And we need to give them their own space. One child, yes. Eight, no.
Does a “normal” list for preemies going home include redoing bedrooms? Dr Phil kept hammering away at this point. Munoz should have read the transcript before he did this video. Here he admits that they couldn’t go home because the “list” wasn’t finished. A tad more than a suggestion.
MCGRAW: So they’ve made it clear, if multiples were ready to be released today, they could not do it?
MCGRAW: What would they do? Would they keep them at the hospital? What would they do?
MUNOZ: They would hold onto them as long as they could, you know. But they know that we’re working hard. So they really haven’t given us too many ultimatums.
And here it is:
MUNOZ: THEY DID SAY, ‘LOOK, YOU NEED TO GET THROUGH THIS LIST’.
It wasn’t exactly nothing. It wasn’t merely a suggestion. It lead to Nadya getting another house, which also needed to be cleared by Kaiser people and generated another list. Things that were fixed by people Dr Phil got to donate after Nadya agreed to use AIW. Nadya says in her own words that the house her 6 children were living in was not fit for children. She was speaking to Lara Spencer from “The Insider”.
SPENCER: On a serious note, how are the conditions at the house? Is it a clean, safe place?
NADYA: I don’t believe it’s safe enough for the kids at this moment.
Ok. There are his own words and Nadya’s. She admits that her house is not safe for the octuplets – it wasn’t safe for the older ones either. Then he continues, implying that the problems now are because he left and because they didn’t follow his instructions.
Since I’ve left I’ve seen nothing but a downward spiral, and I feel really bad for that because I left.
Because I left with a lot of information for them to follow up on and apparently they didn’t.
Security – I had many security companies offering their services for free to be there that first night. I mean, Jeffrey Czech said today on Dr Phil that nobody could have foreseen what was gonna happen when those kids came home.
I saw it.
And what did he do?
His words are useless and meant as a defense for his actions. Just read his words and compare them – nothing else is needed. He’s reacting to what Nadya’s new spokesman (her lawyer) is saying about what wasn’t done before he got there – aka what Munoz didn’t do. And who can possibly prove what information he left with them? If he wasn’t defending her, she would probably come out and say no he didn’t. Who knows, maybe she will anyway.
Now listen to the anger in his voice:
The only way she is going to make money from this point on would be endorsement book deals, future shows…and there’s nothing wrong with that.
So is he setting the stage for a reality show? Defending what he tried to set up?
As long as she doesn’t spend the government’s money, I don’t understand why other people were complaining.
And who is paying for the octuplet’s care? The hospital bill? Her hospital bill? Is she still getting food stamps?
And how can he not understand why people were upset about her having so many children? He, an adult, quit because he couldn’t deal with her. And 14 children?
He was asked what does Nadya need to do to make sure the kids are safe and growing up in a good environment? And the first words he said were the truth, even though he laughed. 14 children’s lives are not funny.
Clean house and start over. [laugh] She needs to continue what she’s doing – and that’s to be the best mother she possible can.
Here you wonder if he wants back in.
I really think she needs to bring in some real professionals to help with her both her personal life and her career. Because without one she doesn’t have another. She’s not gonna have a personal life if she doesn’t have a career. And she’s not gonna be able to build a career if she can’t have a personal life with her children.
That last sentence says it all – she can’t have a career if she doesn’t have the octuplets. And what is with this word “career”. What is Bobbi McCaughey’s career? Tells you exactly what he thinks being a mother is and who he puts first.
And notice there weren’t any questions addressing his comments about her being greedy and nuts and what was it that made him unable to work with her.