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		<title>By: mattie14</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello again smrstrauss.

You probably cut and paste this everywhere because I have said over and over that Kenya is in my mind an impossibility. 

Washington State, yes.

If you noticed the title of this post instead of just posting on the first one - the question is what hospital was he born in. And with your entire explanation there is no answer.

None.

There never is - because no one knows. They can&#039;t know it because it&#039;s not in any of the &quot;overwhelming proof&quot; you cite.

There is a reason why no other president has had to show proof of citizenship -- their actual physical birthplace is known -- as in hospital, home in bed - wherever. That is why there was no need for citizenship proof. 

No president has as little known about him as barry.

&quot;Overwhelming proof&quot; consists of actual facts.

As in facts that can be verified. Starting with the hospital, which no one can name. Yes, his sister has been quoted as two different hospitals as has barry. 

Robert Gibbs does not know the name of the hospital.

SNOPES just changed the hospital in their &quot;factcheck&quot; rendering the rest useless.

UPI just changed their hospital of birth from a November 4, 2008 article.

Kapiolani hospital just took down the letter they reportedly got from barry saying he was born there.

barrypedia has changed the hospital in the past.

Four separate sources have changed their information on where barry was born. And there are others in Hawaii and outside which have him either born in Kapiolani or Queens. 

Talk all you want about proof -- until the hospital is known there exists no sufficient proof. Period.

Fight the Smears website run by barry and put up just to handle the birth certificate issue is gone. Poof. Why? They said it wasn&#039;t needed anymore. Clearly a lie.

Factcheck is run by Annenberg - barry worked on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge for years. You should know that by now. I&#039;ve certainly written it to you enough times.

Therefore Factcheck is meaningless.

They also said they examined the &#039;ORIGINAL birth certificate&quot; which is in direct opposition to CNN&#039;s claim that the original no longer exists.

Kitty Pilgrim&#039;s &quot;evidence&quot; was almost a complete lie which I&#039;ve outlined in a post.

Factcheck and Politifact both call it a birth certificate. It is not. They could not even get the most important fact right - the most basic fact. Their conclusions are meaningless. Period.

That image of that COLB is one-sided - worthless.

And the fact that &quot;factcheckers&quot; don&#039;t provide it says a great deal.

Please quote where which the officials in Hawaii confirmed that they sent to him. I have never seen that fact and I do not believe that is true. 

Janice Okubo the woman folks quote like gospel has never seen the long form birth certificate. What she says is meaningless. And after all she is quoted - she concludes that she cannot say what that image is on his website - and she was sent a copy by Politifact. The registrar who does the seal looked at it too and neither of them could say what it was.

Therefore - according to the spokesman for the Hawaii Department of Health Politifact and Washington Independent quote like she is Dr Fukino - that COLB is not certified - is not proven to have come from Hawaii. Period.

Politifact acknowledges that. They said &quot;there&#039;s the rub&quot;. And that&#039;s where they should have stopped. If the Dept of Health can&#039;t say what it is Politifact certainly can&#039;t. Period.

What politifact concluded is meaningless.

Based on actual objective fact - what &quot;factchecking&quot; is supposed to be based on - Factcheck is out. Politifact is out. Snopes is out. Fight the Smears is out.

What Dr Fukino saw and what Okubo saw and couldn&#039;t confirm what it is are two separate entities. Period.

Dr Fukino never said he was born in Hawaii. Period.

What is on his long form - is still unknown.

What hospital he was born in - is still unknown.

You cannot say there is &quot;overwhelming proof&quot; he was born in Hawaii when you can&#039;t name the physical location. Period.

Bottomline: If there is all  this &quot;overwhelming proof&quot; why hasn&#039;t he just released it? It flies in the face of everyone of your arguments.

And I&#039;ll state once again. 

Just because he hasn&#039;t released a copy of the birth certificate DOES NOT MEAN HE ISN&#039;T ELIGIBLE. It means he is at the very least a liar. That he is anything but transparent.

You always talk about losing the birth certificate. It doesn&#039;t take away the fact that barry had a copy in his possession. He knows what is on there. And yes, they usually only send out the COLB - but he can get a copy of his birth certificate.

There is absolutely no reason why he can&#039;t release a copy.

And there is absolutely no good reason why he hasn&#039;t.

&quot;Overwhelming proof&quot; doesn&#039;t exist until he does.

Period.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello again smrstrauss.</p>
<p>You probably cut and paste this everywhere because I have said over and over that Kenya is in my mind an impossibility. </p>
<p>Washington State, yes.</p>
<p>If you noticed the title of this post instead of just posting on the first one &#8211; the question is what hospital was he born in. And with your entire explanation there is no answer.</p>
<p>None.</p>
<p>There never is &#8211; because no one knows. They can&#8217;t know it because it&#8217;s not in any of the &#8220;overwhelming proof&#8221; you cite.</p>
<p>There is a reason why no other president has had to show proof of citizenship &#8212; their actual physical birthplace is known &#8212; as in hospital, home in bed &#8211; wherever. That is why there was no need for citizenship proof. </p>
<p>No president has as little known about him as barry.</p>
<p>&#8220;Overwhelming proof&#8221; consists of actual facts.</p>
<p>As in facts that can be verified. Starting with the hospital, which no one can name. Yes, his sister has been quoted as two different hospitals as has barry. </p>
<p>Robert Gibbs does not know the name of the hospital.</p>
<p>SNOPES just changed the hospital in their &#8220;factcheck&#8221; rendering the rest useless.</p>
<p>UPI just changed their hospital of birth from a November 4, 2008 article.</p>
<p>Kapiolani hospital just took down the letter they reportedly got from barry saying he was born there.</p>
<p>barrypedia has changed the hospital in the past.</p>
<p>Four separate sources have changed their information on where barry was born. And there are others in Hawaii and outside which have him either born in Kapiolani or Queens. </p>
<p>Talk all you want about proof &#8212; until the hospital is known there exists no sufficient proof. Period.</p>
<p>Fight the Smears website run by barry and put up just to handle the birth certificate issue is gone. Poof. Why? They said it wasn&#8217;t needed anymore. Clearly a lie.</p>
<p>Factcheck is run by Annenberg &#8211; barry worked on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge for years. You should know that by now. I&#8217;ve certainly written it to you enough times.</p>
<p>Therefore Factcheck is meaningless.</p>
<p>They also said they examined the &#8216;ORIGINAL birth certificate&#8221; which is in direct opposition to CNN&#8217;s claim that the original no longer exists.</p>
<p>Kitty Pilgrim&#8217;s &#8220;evidence&#8221; was almost a complete lie which I&#8217;ve outlined in a post.</p>
<p>Factcheck and Politifact both call it a birth certificate. It is not. They could not even get the most important fact right &#8211; the most basic fact. Their conclusions are meaningless. Period.</p>
<p>That image of that COLB is one-sided &#8211; worthless.</p>
<p>And the fact that &#8220;factcheckers&#8221; don&#8217;t provide it says a great deal.</p>
<p>Please quote where which the officials in Hawaii confirmed that they sent to him. I have never seen that fact and I do not believe that is true. </p>
<p>Janice Okubo the woman folks quote like gospel has never seen the long form birth certificate. What she says is meaningless. And after all she is quoted &#8211; she concludes that she cannot say what that image is on his website &#8211; and she was sent a copy by Politifact. The registrar who does the seal looked at it too and neither of them could say what it was.</p>
<p>Therefore &#8211; according to the spokesman for the Hawaii Department of Health Politifact and Washington Independent quote like she is Dr Fukino &#8211; that COLB is not certified &#8211; is not proven to have come from Hawaii. Period.</p>
<p>Politifact acknowledges that. They said &#8220;there&#8217;s the rub&#8221;. And that&#8217;s where they should have stopped. If the Dept of Health can&#8217;t say what it is Politifact certainly can&#8217;t. Period.</p>
<p>What politifact concluded is meaningless.</p>
<p>Based on actual objective fact &#8211; what &#8220;factchecking&#8221; is supposed to be based on &#8211; Factcheck is out. Politifact is out. Snopes is out. Fight the Smears is out.</p>
<p>What Dr Fukino saw and what Okubo saw and couldn&#8217;t confirm what it is are two separate entities. Period.</p>
<p>Dr Fukino never said he was born in Hawaii. Period.</p>
<p>What is on his long form &#8211; is still unknown.</p>
<p>What hospital he was born in &#8211; is still unknown.</p>
<p>You cannot say there is &#8220;overwhelming proof&#8221; he was born in Hawaii when you can&#8217;t name the physical location. Period.</p>
<p>Bottomline: If there is all  this &#8220;overwhelming proof&#8221; why hasn&#8217;t he just released it? It flies in the face of everyone of your arguments.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll state once again. </p>
<p>Just because he hasn&#8217;t released a copy of the birth certificate DOES NOT MEAN HE ISN&#8217;T ELIGIBLE. It means he is at the very least a liar. That he is anything but transparent.</p>
<p>You always talk about losing the birth certificate. It doesn&#8217;t take away the fact that barry had a copy in his possession. He knows what is on there. And yes, they usually only send out the COLB &#8211; but he can get a copy of his birth certificate.</p>
<p>There is absolutely no reason why he can&#8217;t release a copy.</p>
<p>And there is absolutely no good reason why he hasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>&#8220;Overwhelming proof&#8221; doesn&#8217;t exist until he does.</p>
<p>Period.</p>
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