October 15, 2009
Updated birth certificate posts/videos/lawsuits
Joy Behar is anything but stupid. She wanted Orly Taitz on her show so people would know she has a show. Not sure if she got the press she wanted, though, because she was too polite – especially for her – and she let Orly talk. She also had a better sense of what was going on and knew that that COLB was not a birth certificate.
At every turn Taitz had an answer and came off as reasonable. Behar tried the Muslim route and the Israeli’s are behind it – neither worked.
As opposed to Kitty Pilgrim, whose litany was a steaming pile of lies or non-facts, Behar’s main unsubstantiated comment was about Hawaii Governor Lingle, who has been quoted over and over as having said barry was born in Hawaii – something I have looked extensively for and never found. I believe the origin was Politifact. Also, that just because the birth notices exist means they were put there so he could be president one day, when all it means is that his family wanted him to be a citizen. And then the ridiculous notion that Annenberg is “non-partisan”. Taitz actually got to explain barry’s connection and Behar knew nothing about.
But the real truth came out in Behar’s words:
I can`t accept that you`re right — I won`t.
She couldn’t bear the possibility that barry is a fraud, as do so many of the anti-birthers, which is why their venom is so great. They can’t take their anger out on barry so they take it out on the person that could expose him as a fraud…and them…as getting sucked in by one. Just like the Nobel Committee, which had 4 women.
It is a very sad situation all the way around.
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Aired October 13, 2009
On the screen: “BORN CONSPIRACY” with “Lunatic Fringe”
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: Tonight, a Russian-born Orange County dentist who spends most of her time trying to prove that Barack Obama wasn`t born in the United States. But is this dentist spending too much time with the nitrous oxide?
The far right would like nothing better than to bring down our president. They attack his policies, his opinions and they also look for more creative ways to undermine him. One of the more questionable claims has been that Barack Obama wasn`t born in the United States.
[video clip of that lady in red screaming "I want my country back!"]
BEHAR: Ok, with me now is the woman leading the Birther Movement, Orly Taitz. Ok, Orly, I want to start with — before we get to the birther movement, I want to start with some news that broke this afternoon and that is that you were fined $20,000 for misconduct by a judge in Georgia who called you delusional? Are you delusional?
ORLY TAITZ, BIRTHER MOVEMENT: Absolutely no, it`s a delusional and corrupt judge.
BEHAR: But he was appointed by George Bush.
TAITZ: Listen, people make mistakes. What can I say?
BEHAR: So you`re not a fan of George Bush either.
TAITZ: Well, I wanted to explain that I`m bringing this issue because it`s a Constitutional issue. And as a matter of fact I`ve written a number of articles where I`ve said, Barack Obama is not eligible for presidency not only because he never provided the hospital birth certificate.
BEHAR: Well he does have a birth certificate.
TAITZ: And that`s what I wanted to show because they showed on each and every show. This is — can we…
BEHAR: Yes, I think we can show it.
TAITZ: This is a hospital birth certificate. There`s a lot of information there. That`s one from Hawaii. That`s what Obama posted on the Internet.
BEHAR: Yes, I have a copy too.
TAITZ: Ok and you can see a huge difference.
BEHAR: But Orly this is what — everyone in Hawaii gets this now.
TAITZ: No, but the point is that he was asked to provide information.
BEHAR: Yes.
TAITZ: What`s the name of the hospital, what`s the name of the doctor?
BEHAR: But this is what they gave him?
TAITZ: No, no actually, in his book and I made sure I read this book. He said that he had a birth certificate. So why wouldn`t he provide it? He provided only something that he got a year ago or two years ago in 2007.
BEHAR: Yes.
TAITZ: Why wouldn`t he provide the original where he said in his book that he has and he cherishes and he keeps with all of his documents.
BEHAR: Well, but there are so much verification that he was born here.
TAITZ: No, that`s the whole point.
BEHAR: Let me tell you the Hawaiian Health Department Director released this statement. Let me read this statement. “I have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State of Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born American citizen.”
TAITZ: Ok and let me respond to this.
BEHAR: All right.
TAITZ: Did you know that the State of Hawaii allows foreign-born children of Hawaiian residents to get Hawaiian birth certificate. It`s Rule 338-17. Moreover, State of Hawaii allows one get a birth certificate based on the statement of one relative only. If his mother — birth mother writes a statement, and they could even mail the statements back in `61 saying…
BEHAR: Where is the proof that that happened?
TAITZ: Well, that`s the whole point, the fact his behavior shows a guilty mind. We had over 100 lawsuits.
BEHAR: I don`t see that. I don`t agree with that. Well, listen to this, two separate Hawaiian newspapers. The Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star Bulletin published his birth announcements in August 1961. Was his mother planning? She said to the staff, you know, “In several years from now, he`s going to be president so I`m going to pretend that he was born here.”
TAITZ: Yes.
BEHAR: What kind of planner and she`s not that — I don`t think the woman could plan that far ahead. It`s not logical.
TAITZ: Yes, and that`s a very good point. And that`s why I want to explain it. Because in Hawaii, what they did in 1961, they had something called Hawaiian News Agency. They would bring all of the birth certificate that came from the hospitals and the ones that he probably has based on the statement of a relative. Because there was never any hospital birth certificate found where just appearance-wise he was born here. They send all of them. They don`t say this is illegitimate, this is not legitimate.
BEHAR: So many people disagree with you. Hawaii`s Governor, she`s a Republican who backs John McCain has also confirmed that Obama was born in the states.
TAITZ: No, no never, she never did.
BEHAR: Yes, she did.
TAITZ: When, when tell me when.
BEHAR: I don`t know when…
TAITZ: You don`t know when because it never happened. Joy, it never happened.
BEHAR: I`ll find out.
TAITZ: Ok, it never happened.
BEHAR:
Ok, a nonpartisan group called FACTCHECK.ORG.
Now, with a nonpartisan, they have no interest.
TAITZ: They are partisan.
BEHAR: Why do you say that? Why you say them partisan, I say nonpartisan? Why are you right and I`m wrong?
TAITZ: I`ll tell you why?
BEHAR: Ok.
TAITZ:
They [factcheck.org] are owned by Annenberg Foundation that also owned Annenberg Challenge where Obama was the president and Obama got $50 million from Annenberg fro Annenberg Foundation. There are serious financial ties.
BEHAR:
I really need to see proof of that — I can`t accept that.
TAITZ: Sure, absolutely.
BEHAR: But let me ask you something. It`s a more general idea about this whole thing. What is it that you`re trying to get out of this? Why do you want to discredit this president? What is your motivation?
TAITZ: Ok, I don`t want to discredit this president.
BEHAR: It sure sounds like it.
TAITZ: But first of all, let me show this — can you do a close-up?
BEHAR: That doesn`t matter. They can`t read it anyway.
TAITZ: Ok, it`s a court order. And it`s saying that we are going to trial January 26 in California, Central District of California, Judge David O. Carter, January 26, 8:30 in the morning, jury trial.
BEHAR: All right.
TAITZ: And this judge stated — this is a legitimate issue and it`s important for the whole country, it`s important for the military.
BEHAR: But don`t you see — listen the country is in a lot of trouble. Ok, we`re in a lot of trouble. So what do you want to happen? Do you want him to — let`s say you`re right. You`re not right, but let`s say you are right.
I can`t accept that you`re right — I won`t.
I have too much proof that you`re wrong.
TAITZ: I have too much proof that I`m right.
BEHAR: Ok, well, we`re at a check mate then on that point. But let`s just say that. What is the point of this? This would be harmful for the country for this to happen. Who do you want John McCain to get in there? We don`t even — a lot of people said that he wasn`t even born here. His father and mother and his whole family has been in the United States military. He was born in Panama, he is an American citizen. People say he wasn`t an American citizen.
TAITZ: Let me…
BEHAR: I mean, what do you expect to happen here?
TAITZ: Ok, according to the law, according to (INAUDIBLE) provisions — we have to — we are going to trial in California January 26. And I represent 46 members of U.S. military.
BEHAR: But you`re not answering my question…
TAITZ: Yes, yes, ok.
BEHAR: What are you trying to do?
TAITZ: If, indeed, the court finds that he was not legitimate, then, like in many European countries, we will have a special election. And maybe it will be another Democrat in the White House, maybe it will be Hillary. I don`t know.
BEHAR:
No, what religion do you think he is?
TAITZ:
I don`t know. But it doesn`t matter.
BEHAR:
Does this have anything to do with Israel at all?
TAITZ:
Not at all.
And as a matter of fact, if you read some of my articles, I criticized, for example, Bobby Jindal because he was hailed as the next president of the United States. And I said, just like Obama, Bobby Jindal who`s a staunch Republican cannot be the next president. Because and that`s the most important point.
Natural born — he has to be a natural born citizen. Natural born citizen is one who is not only born in the country, but whose parents, both of them, are citizens of the country.
BEHAR: That`s not true. That is not a fact. You have to know.
TAITZ: I do know?
BEHAR: I mean, people come here illegally, let`s say they come over the Mexican border and she`s pregnant. Then they`re illegal, they have a baby. That baby is an American citizen.
TAITZ: Citizen but not natural born, that`s the whole point…
BEHAR: But they can be president if they`re born here.
TAITZ: No, no that`s the whole point. Because people need to understand the difference and I can show this…
BEHAR: No, not the picture. They can`t see it anyway.
TAITZ: And that`s the law of nations. That`s a legal treatise that was used when the Constitution was written. And it says, natural born citizen is one born in the country to two parents that are citizens. So if somebody who is born to an illegal…
BEHAR: You know what the first president of the United States, George Washington, he was a natural born citizen.
TAITZ: You know what that is very a good point, Joy.
BEHAR: Yes, yes.
TAITZ: You`re absolutely right. They have a provision in Constitution it has to be natural born citizen or citizen at the time the constitution was adapted.
BEHAR: You seem to project a little anxiety. You have anxiety. Is it because you were in the Soviet Union for so long?
TAITZ: Well, I have anxiety in that — a person who is committing massive fraud can become president. Look at this.
BEHAR: How come you never went after George Bush when he invaded a country without any real proof that they had weapons of mass destruction? That would have been a legitimate cause for you.
This is crazy. No one agrees with you.
[Note she said AGREES not BELIEVES.]
TAITZ: No.
BEHAR: The Governor of Hawaii doesn`t agree with you.
TAITZ: Never done though, it never happened, show me when did you say it never happened.
BEHAR: Does anyone have a — what?
TAITZ: It never happened.
BEHAR: It was in “USA Today” article. You can look it up. Google it. Google it.
TAITZ: But look at this. Here`s some more information. Not only he was not legitimate for presidency, but we have found that he has used national data bases 39 different social security numbers. One of them…
BEHAR: You know — I don`t know how you have time for this. You`re a busy dentist. You need to like — this is like such a waste of your time.
TAITZ: You know, the legitimacy of the President of the United States…
BEHAR: You should have done it eight years ago, baby.
TAITZ: … and commander in chief, it is very important.
BEHAR: Thank you anyway for coming on. Your husband is a big fan of mine. Good.
