March 16, 2010
updated
Attorney General Eric Holder can’t seem to grasp why folks are upset about terrorists being tried in US civilian courts. According to NPR, he had a rather contentious discussion with the GOP members of the House Appropriations subcommittee:
HOLDER: [Terrorists] have the same rights that Charles Manson would have, any other kind of mass murderer. It doesn’t mean that they’re going to be coddled, it doesn’t mean that they’re going to be treated with kid gloves.
No, it means they will be given rights that only Americans should have. Rights Americans have died to defend – some slaughtered by the terrorists. And with those rights comes the possibility of being set free. The first thing the defense attorney would do is ask that the confession be tossed out because it was obtained under duress aka “enhanced interrogation”. And if KSM was never read his rights before his confession, the judge would have no choice…if the same civil rules of law would apply.
And why is KSM even being afforded a trial when he already asked to plead guilty?
And they are not simply “mass murderers”. They are terrorists who exist only to kill as many Americans as possible. Savage inhumane beasts raised only to hate and kill. There is absolutely no possibility of being tried by a “jury of their peers” unless they were tried by other mass murderers on death row.
Imagine Dr Mengele or Hitler being tried in a regular courtroom. They were mass torturers and mass murderers. Charles Manson is an American and in that regard was judged by a jury of his peers.
And how many mass murderers’ trial cost $72M?
Money that if spent should go to the 9-11 workers who are sick and dying out of proportion to their ages and past medical history.
So what is it Mr AG doesn’t get?
He is seriously delusional if the thinks a civil trial in a US court is going to do anything to dissuade the next generation of terrorists.
I wonder if he has actually thought of the impact on the individual American citizens who will be forced to sit in judgment. Whether he has ever sat and pondered the physical, mental, emotional, psychological and spiritual toll it would take on each and every one of the jurors (and their families and those around them) for no reason other than kumbaya barry wants to prove to the world our system of justice works. The entire world is not more important than the well-being of American citizens – something barry doesn’t grasp – nor it seems Mr Holder.
The chances of finding 12 jury members in NYC who do not know of someone who was murdered on September 11, 2001 is ZERO. It would be like asking cousins or neighbors or coworkers of the mass murderer’s victims to sit in judgment.
And how many mass murderers by their mere presence in the area would cause extreme mental suffering to millions of people outside the courtroom?
Why should New Yorkers who were directly affected by the terrorists’ evil have to sit in the same room with that evil day after day, week after week?
Why should they have to look through the exhibits of the fallen towers knowing their loved ones and NY’s finest were incinerated and mixed in with the ash?
Why should they have to watch videos and listen to the thudding of bodies of the people who jumped rather than be burned alive?
Why should they have to revisit that horrific day and its aftermath in any fashion?
And most of all, why should they have to be concerned for their own safety for the rest of their lives?
If it is a public trial, the jurors’ names will be public record and every terrorist wannabe will have access to the information. For the rest of their lives, the jury members will have that in the back of their mind. And it won’t matter if the judge “seals” the jurors’ names because the press would leak their names. And in the infinitesimal chance the names weren’t leaked – anyone sitting in the courtroom would be able to see their faces.
No New Yorker should have to be re-traumatized like that.
Those terrorists should never be allowed on US soil. Folks are absolutely delusional if they believe there won’t be something attempted by other evil muslims. Why allow that possibility to exist?
Another bizarre comment:
HOLDER: Let’s deal with reality. [Bin Laden] will never appear in an American courtroom. The possibility of catching him alive is infinitesimal. He will be killed by us or he will be killed by his own people so he can’t be captured by us.
Why does he believe bin laden is still alive?
To be clear Mr AG – the problem is declaring them simple criminals. They are not. Nor will they ever be. They are enemy combatants and what they did was an act of war. Whatever they do, it will always be an act of war. The diaper bomber’s failure was an act of war. Period.
They do not now or ever belong in a civilian court nor do they deserve Miranda rights. They belong in the military system of justice – no matter how long or how ineffectual – compared to criminal courts. And until you understand that, you are not acting on behalf of the majority of Americans – Americans who will be paying for their trial and security and meals and lodging.
ps. How much DOJ manpower has been/is being wasted on defending barry when all he needs to do is spend $20?