Thank you for the video and the info – will add it to the post proper.

Just curious. Were C-SPAN/Brian Lamb angry that the president chose not to let you in on the redecorating and has anyone expressed their feelings to the WH?

Thanks again.

One other thing. How often does C-SPAN edit the daily press briefing videos? Because the video of this press briefing was amended and the relevant part of the conversation was edited out. (Why Gibbs always takes WND’s Kingsolving’s questions last.) And I just checked and voila! the video is no longer available. Difficult to believe it was a coincidence since the WH chose to edit the official WH transcript as well.

http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/gibbs-lies-re-birth-certificate-nobody-challenges-him/

It was in reference to the preceding statement about the presidents’ actual physical birthplaces.

They can’t name the actual physical birthplace – as in actual physical place of birth, such as a hospital or manger – but they swear he was born in Hawaii.

Hostile?

AC rehashed this interview last night and his guest Jeffrey Toobin called the Pentagon physician “a bigot, a racist, a freak, a lunatic, not rational”.

http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/cnns-jeffrey-toobin-ltc-lakin-is-a-bigot-a-racist-a-freak-a-lunatic-not-rational/

ps. Your final comment has qualified you for the front page. That a-word has a way of being picked up by the alphabet agencies so we have to be clear it wasn’t anyone here who wrote it. If it hadn’t already been posted we could have deleted that part.

Check out the photo to see what the US president thinks of Canada’s PM.

1-Makes no sense:

ad hominem attacks on fact-checkers using smeary non-sequitars

Had you followed even a single link you would have found proof.

2-Relevant info was added as requested by a reader. Folks aware of the situation were directed to the video and transcript.

3-FAQ?

There are over 540 posts on this issue alone.

4-Stop and think about this:

Wrong. He was making the point that the doctor questioned the qualifications of _no one else_ to issue orders, just Obama.

-None of the previous presidents LTC Lakin has served under had their birthplace or eligibility questioned.

-All four were governors of their respective states before becoming presidents and as such extensively vetted.

barry has not even gotten close to being vetted.

-Their birthplaces – the actual physical birthplaces of Pres Reagan, Carter, Clinton and Bush are well-known, well-documented and unquestioned. (Posting a list.)

Not a single anti-birther – not even the man who speaks for the president – has stated publicly where barry was born. And not a single media outlet has forced them to. But they can all swear barry was born in Hawaii.

-The previous presidents’ auxillary records (school, personal work, government) are all matters of public record.

barry’s are not and he is fighting in court that they never be released.

-Gen Casey, as well as any other superior LTC has served under, do not have a requirement to be natural-born citizens. Servicemembers are not even required to be US citizens. But all are required to show copies of their birth certificates and provide whatever back-up information requested.

barry has not and refuses to.

Which explains why LTC Lakin has never questioned anyone else. That was the lamest of all the things Cooper said and it proved he has no concept of the “birther” issue or the Constitutional requirements to hold the Office of the presidency.

I’d ask who sent you, but I’m more curious why someone in Ontario is defending barry.

Go Hawks!

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Thank you for your thoughts.

This seemed missed:

The justice system is not perfect but it exists.

It does not exist in Sharia law.

Something has to exist before it can work. Or fail.

Yes, rapes, pedophilia, sex slavery, human trafficking, murder, arranged marriages, polygamy and violence against women occurs in the US and it is not relegated to one religion or demographic.

The difference is it’s against the law. Not so with Sharia where women and children are allowed to be treated, traded and executed like animals.

Evil is evil. Anywhere on the planet by anyone for any reason including religion. The difference is what evil is found acceptable.

Girls as young as 8 are allowed to be sold to cousins and great-grandfathers. Second graders left alone with men as old as 80 who have free reign to do whatever they want to a little girl half their size.

Where is the outrage of non-extremist Muslims?

Where is the outrage about 13 y/o Elham Mahdi being tied down and raped to death by her 30 y/o “husband”.

http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/update-re-13-yo-elham-mahdi-raped-to-death/

Where’s the outrage over a doctor who sends a little girl home with the rapist who “ripped” her open?

Yes. This does anger me. As does the fact no Arab State has taken a stand and said enough.

If Sharia is not what Islam is all about – why aren’t these so-called moderate States standing up and saying so?

No to genital mutilation. No to burying daughters alive. Not to stoning wives to death. No to killing sisters in the name of honor. And no to marrying cousins in the name of religion.

Teenage girl being stoned to death in the street with the police standing by doing nothing, while the jackals cheer and jockey for position to take cellphone video.

VERY GRAPHIC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rgSH0h45Eo

UN Arab Charter on Human Rights that no one enforces.

http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/instree/loas2005.html?msource=UNWDEC19001&tr=y&auid=3337655

Tthe Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women, in which women are to have:

The same right freely to choose a spouse and to enter into marriage only with their free and full consent.

The same rights and responsibilities with regard to guardianship.

http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/cedaw/text/econvention.htm#article16

The UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, where children are considered anyone below age 18.

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/crc.htm

Charters without consequence.

Yemen wants to keep the minimum marriage for girls set at 17 and just throw out the punishment part.

The largest block in the UN – the Organization of the Islamic Conference made up of 56 mostly Muslim-majority countries passed a resolution that wants to make any criticism of Islam a crime.

“Combating Defamation of Religion”

http://www.unhchr.ch/Huridocda/Huridoca.nsf/0/5a0fb9a15c41a265c1256ba40037c72f?Opendocument

And yes. Men who rape children, men who look the other way and “holy” men who sanction child rape in the name of religion are beasts. No matter what age, position, religion, country or race.

80 y/o man who bought and “married” his 11 y/o cousin:

I don’t care about her age. Her health and her body build make her fit for marriage. I also don’t care what her mother thinks. This is a very old custom and there is nothing wrong with it whether religiously or socially.

http://www.alarabiyaDOTnet/articles/2010/01/21/98001.html

There is nothing in this world that could ever make rape of an 11 y/o girl by an 80 y/o man acceptable.

but real Islam as the majority of Muslims practice it.

How is Real Islam characterized. The world hears no definitive agreement as to what the “real Islam” actually is. Just what it isn’t – radical extremism or whatever ism it is now. If extremism doesn’t represent Islam – why is Sharia allowed to exist?

Muslim cleric says Islam = submission

http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2010/03/03/uk-cleric-islam-does-not-mean-peace-islam-means-submission/

Founder of Hamas’ son, who was raised Muslim says moderate Islam does not exist.

http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/hamas-founders-son-moderate-muslim-doesnt-exist/

60% of Iraqi Kurdistan women/children have undergone genital mutilation.

http://www.stopfgmkurdistan.org/

Listen to the women (video) “Handful of Ash”

http://www.stopfgmkurdistan.org/html/english/resources.htm

Ash referring to what is smudged on mutilated genitals after the mutilation is complete.

Which moderate Muslim State practicing whatever this real Islam is is speaking out against the sanctioned violence of women and little girls in the Muslim world?

Thank you for your thoughts.

There are some very big differences you seemed to have overlooked.

In the US:

Every life is sacred.

People are not owned and sold.

Women have rights.

Women are not the property of their husband.

Women are free to pursue whatever they choose.

Mothers have parental rights.

Children have rights

Cartoonists can draw whomever/whatever they like.

Public executions: stoning, burying alive and beheading are not acceptable practices.

Pedophilia, child rape, marital rape and any other type of rape is not legal.

Marrying ones cousing at any age is not legal.

Tying down a 13 y/o girl and raping her to death is not legal.

Fathers selling their daughters to settle a debt or maintain a drug habit is not legal.

Mothers allowing it to happen is not legal.

Starving a wife because she denied her “husband” sex is not legal.

Beating a wife because she paid too much for a shroud she is forced to wear is not legal.

In the US:

People are not forced to practice religion.

People are not forced to blow themselves up in the name of religion.

People are not forced to kill their sisters, mothers, daughters, wives and grandmothers in the name of religion.

In the US:

Little girls’ genitals are not mutilated in the sake of religion.

Little girls aren’t forced to marry “holy men” in the name of religion.

Little girls are allowed to go to school – not disfigured with acid for wanting to learn.

Adult men who “marry” 8 year-old girls are considered savages. As are men who rape, beat and kill their female family members.

The justice system is not perfect but it exists.

And there are women policemen, physicians, lawyers and judges to make sure crimes against women and girls are prosecuted.

Your words:

however, I think the west have gone too far on this one , like any other ones, just to smear the image of Arabs or Muslims.

Do you really believe that with a list like this – each and every one “acceptable” in Islam – anyone anywhere has to “smear the image of Arabs or Muslims”?

You’re joking right?

barry people allowed only factcheck to look at it and later politifact got a copy of it. It was never available to the general public nor were the photos factcheck took, which were incomplete. And when politifact had Okubo and Onaka look at it it was an email digital image they looked at.

It was never available to the press and certainly never available to regular citizens aka “birthers” then or at any time since. barry is still refusing requests from members of Congress to release it.

And the point you’re making reinforces the birthers’ stand. If it was available in June 2008 – why wasn’t it available thereafter?

It was allegedly put on line to quell doubts. When the doubts continued they did nothing and allowed no one to look at it. Even now.

And factcheck?

I suppose you think they are non-partisan.

http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/factcheck-org-is-directly-related-to-barry/

This is your back up proof?

Said piece of paper was reported widely as having

An embossed seal (sealed)
A printed signature from “Alvin T Onaka” Regsistrar of Vital Statistics (signed)

“Reported widely”?

Fact checks are supposed to deal in facts – not reports. It didn’t.

For that digital image to have even the least bit of credibility the entire back page would have to have been shown with the seal and signature in situ. It wasn’t. So it is not a “certified copy” of anything. It’s a one-sided digital image of something that has never been vouched for by Dr Fukino.

And this is a complete lie as well:

In addition the Hawai’i Deartment of Health has repeatedly confirmed the validity of the content, to whit the birth in Honolulu of Obama.

Clever wording though.

Dr Fukino has expressly never said a word about that digital image on line. Nothing. Even when she had been asked repeatedly to clarify after her first statement, she said nothing in the second. So what he has been presenting as “proof” has never been connected to what Dr Fukino is using as “proof”.

They are two completely unrelated entities.

And it is the crux of the matter that folks don’t seem to grasp. And it’s why the request for a copy of what Dr Fukino is vouching for – which barry can get a copy of at any time – is legitimate and will remain so until he does.

And most telling of all the “factchecking” proof out there, the man whose name is allegedly stamped on that image – the Hawaii State registrar Dr Alvin T Onaka – looked at it and said he couldn’t say what that image was.

If a man who works with those documents every single day couldn’t say what that image is how could regular old bloggers – not document examiners – deem it legit?

Politifact even admitted it.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

And no, I am not talking about Orly Taitz. I’m referring to Phil Berg who repeatedly asked for a copy of that digital image before he filed suit – his being the first one. Had he been allowed to see that alleged “document” allegedly stored at barry’s HQs in Chicago and had it been kosher, birthers would not have come into existence. Much the same as barry can get rid of them at any time by just providing a copy of whatever Dr Fukino is vouching for.

He hasn’t.

Why?

This faulty argument isn’t even worth debating when the chief executive claims he has the “most transparent administration in history” and refers to himself as Mr Transparency.

Just as a reminder, here in the US, there is this troublesome thing in law…presumption of innocence…It is incumbent upon the accuser to prove not the accused and to do it you need standing.

Transparency is not conditional.

Thanks for your thoughts. That commercial must be hysterical. Both of them have named Eric Holder in their lawsuits.

Hope those HS bills pass.

Not sure of your focus on Sen McCain?

I have no candidate and this site is not affiliated with or endorsed by any candidate, political party, organization, group or movement.

The issue of the birth certificate is not even close to being over. There are similar eligibility bills in other states.

You ask, “So why are they objecting?”

My guess would be that the Washington elite have a different mindset and a continuous abuse and ignorance when it comes to the supreme law of the land, the U.S. Constitution and other laws of the U.S.

The voters of Arizona will send Mr. McCain down the road.

I even wondering if he knows (or remembers) that he is named in the Kerchner et al v. Obama et al as a defendant. I’m wondering if any members of Congress were notified of this case. I asked the attorney Mario Apuzzo a few months back if each member of Congress was notified. He did not know. I wouldn’t put it past Obama and Holder to keep it to themselves.

Here is what occurred during a Sun City Grand town hall meeting.

” McCain disagrees with audience member on a president’s birthplace ”

” McCain disagreed with an audience member who suggested presidential candidates as well as their parents should have to be born in the United States.

McCain also questioned if being born in the United States should still be a requirement for presidential candidates.

“If someone (was born elsewhere) and came here as a 1 year old, and served a productive life, I’m not sure,” McCain said. ”
http://www.yourwestvalley.com/news/mccain-12040-disagrees-wexler.html

McCain is a lawmaker and should know the law and its significance. This tells me that Mr. McCain would allow foreigners into the highest office of the country, which could already be the case.

Our state legislature has introduced a bill to require high school students to complete two full years of U.S. history with one full semester just on the founding fathers of this country. Also two other separate bills require passing the national citizenship test to receive a drivers license and to graduate from high school.

Have you seen McCain’s new campaign commercial debunking his opponent JD Hayworth for being a ‘birther’. The commercial includes Orly Taitz and Phillip Berg?

Maybe this will and should become a big campaign issue here in Arizona between the candidates. We’ll see.

Given all this, do you think Mr. McCain is in touch with the ‘little’ people of Arizona?

“the only birth certificate that he can produce because it is the only one that Hawaii sends out.”

1-Wrong. It is what they send out but he can get a copy of his long form at any time. He can even designate you to get a copy of it.

2-Gov Lingle has never said barry was born in Hawaii. Dr Fukino has never mentioned that COLB. Period. It is meaningless.

“In 2007 Obama asked Hawaii for his birth certificate, and Hawaii sent him the COLB–which is what it sends to everyone.”

3-Please provide proof of what barry asked for. [It doesn't exist.] Recall also barry admitted he had an actual copy of his long form birth certificate.

“It is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department and the branches of the US military.”

3-You neglected to mention the Office of the Presidency.

“And, no, you cannot get a birth certificate–long form or short form–in Hawaii that says “born in Hawaii” on it unless there is proof that the child was born in Hawaii.”

4-Wrong. Look up the statute. And remember that the COLB is meaningless.

Thank you for your thoughts.

I don’t know what media outlets you are referring to but I watch MSNBC and CNN. I don’t watch FOX or the regular news channels.

The media has been proven to be biased through studies of broadcasts and through their own admission. Polls have also shown the American people agree – going so far as to say they believed the media would hide evidence if they thought it would hurt their candidate. The NY Times already admitted they killed a story on ACORN involving him right before the general election.

The evidence is overwhelming and indisputable. It was absolutely proven on March 3, 2008 when they let him walk away from the podium.

I do not hate the president. That is a very strong word reserved for pedophiles and incesters and those who enforce Sharia and think it’s okay to bury women alive, stone them to death, behead them and sell their children to adult men to settle their debt or because the child is “ugly”,

The object of my disgust is the media’s lack of vetting of the him. He is a fraud. I’m sorry but it is true. I live in Chicago – have all my life – and I have seen what he has done to get where he is. He is no different than other Illinois politicians. The amount of lies he has told and continues to tell is staggering – but you will never hear them on MSNBC or CNN or read them in the NY Times, Washington Post, Kos, Politico or Huffington Post among others.

In fact, I cannot understand how anyone would doubt the media bias at this point. He even admitted it in an interview but I can’t recall who was interviewing him. I think it was Harwood.

An example: His repeated message about lobbyists when he has lobbyists in his administration. Axelrod is a lobbyist and was working as one during the entire campaign – the office he worked out of for the campaign was his lobbyist’s office – and then moved his office to Washington.

Another example: His healthcare deals. Where was the change? Where was the new Washington? He made backroom deals with Sens Landrieu and Nelson and the unions. He changes his position from single-payer to public option to whatever Congress approves.

While he was in Springfield he had a habit of voting “present” instead of making a stand. He has never shown bipartisanship and has absolutely no history of it. Not as an Illinois senator, not as a US senator (voted 97% of the time with his party) and he was the one having meetings with only democrats when the health care bills were put together.

What do you think of an American president saying there are 57 states?

I could go on and on but if you feel the way you do nothing I say will be believed. That’s totally fine. There are two sets of people like there are with any fraud: people who fall for it – like Nigerian email scams – and those who can see right through it.

What’s important is you are happy with his performance. I hope that continues.

On July 27, 2004 barry bumped the previously scheduled speaker – another black man whose name I can’t recall. barry was there as an introduction to the national stage. BTW he didn’t write that speech. He didn’t even write his automythology – just a guy in the neighborhood Bill Ayers did. barry was running for the US Senate but hadn’t won.

September 2004, the Senate Judiciary Committee decides to have a hearing re: changing the constitutional requirement of natural born citizen.

It took place on October 5, 2004, before barry was elected to the Senate. Alan Keyes was the last minute fill in candidate for Jack Ryan whose divorce records were made public after relentless pressure by barry people. It sealed Ryan’s fate and Keyes had no chance because he was shipped in and nobody knew him besides the fact that he’s more than a tad out there.

During one of the debates, Keyes said to barry something to the effect that he – barry wasn’t a natural born citizen and barry responded that it didn’t matter. The video was initially on public TV but has since disappeared – like everything else.

Head of the Judiciary Committee is Patrick Leahy who 1-handled McCain’s NBC nonlegally binding NBC resolution, which was a setup for barry and 2-went on public radio and told “Hillary” to get lost.

The resolution took place in April 2008 – around the same time people were asking about barry’s citizenship.

The hearing had an interesting title: Maximizing Voter Choice: Opening the Presidency to Naturalized Americans.

Some of the recommendations:

1-living 20 years in the US
2-foreign born child adopted by US parents
3- another to cover the amount of years over the age of 14
4-Barney Frank’s let any immigrant be president.

Some of what he said was Frank was positively psychic:

But, uhm, we do have now this major obstacle in the way of the voters, and we say to them: We don’t trust you. You could get fooled.

I mean, they might—some foreign country might sucker you by getting some slick person, mole him into the United States, or her, and get that person citizenship, and then years later have that person get elected President, and you will be too dumb to notice.

If you have the time read this post or watch the video and then ask yourself if he was talking about a nebulous person in the future or setting the stage for someone he was already aware of.

http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/10/21/2004-barney-frank-makes-a-case-for-barrys-nbc-status/

Sorry you’re having such a rough morning.

“We won.”

if you voted for barry – yes you did. The question is: Did you get a winner?

And you don’t seem to understand the birth certificate issue but have no problem with the usual party line: spew your hate with lies, dumb, racist, crazy…zero points for originality.

As your leader calls for civility, his little followers keep on with the nasty comments.

No case has ever been allowed to be heard – meaning no evidence has ever been allowed to be presented. No judge has ever ruled on the merits of the case – meaning they have never verified his birth, that digital image COLB or anything else.

Bottom line: No judge has ruled he is eligible. Period.

And the reason the cases haven’t advanced have to do with standing – simply put no one citizen can challenge barry.

I’m curious why you folks have never even wondered why your leader refuses to release any of his records – including his medical records. You seem to have no problem with the fact that nothing is known about the physical condition and psychiatric of a 20+ year smoker and ex-drug addict who can start a nuclear war without veto.

And why hasn’t this brilliant! Constitutional law “professor” ever released his transcripts or written any scholarly writings, including when he was president of the Harvard Law Review? He never even got a clerkship. Why doesn’t anyone remember barry during his time at Columbia?

How is it you are certain your leader was born in Hawaii when his own spokesman Robert Gibbs does not even know?

None of the Hawaii papers know where he was born. The birth announcements folks like to point out do not say where he was born – just that he was.

No one knows the physical location of barry’s birth. No hospital in Hawaii has ever come out publicly to claim him. No hospital has dedicated the barry soetoro birthing room and no hospital celebrated barry’s birthday.

The first “Hawaii-born” president and no hospital claims he was born at their hospital?

I have to wonder why folks are so mindless.

I’m well aware of terahertz radiation and the associate biological risks to DNA and the panic! linked to it. The airport scanners are designed not to get to terahertz range and as long as they don’t (frequent testing) the scans are biologically safe. That’s why the link to the American College of Radiology was provided at the top of this post. Most folks, including pregnant women, have no idea the amount of radiation they are exposed to when flying and yet panic when they need dental or chest xray, which is not only less radiation, lead shields are provided.

1000 scans = one standard chest x-ray

The invasion of physical privacy is a completely other matter, which is discussed above. A physical pat-down is offered as an alternative to the scanners.

And, if as you say, only the terrorists guys should get it – if they knew who the terrorist guys were there would be no need for scanning.

The savages responded to the call for profiling by forcing a woman to be a human detonator. She blew herself up in Baghdad in the midst of a pilgrimage killing at least 5 women and 6 children – the women herself could have been pregnant.

Muslim savages killing other muslims engaged in a religious event just to prove a point to the West. And they think what they do will someday be accepted by the non-muslim world.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/7128730/Female-suicide-bomber-kills-41-in-Iraq.html

As of today, the number murdered = 54.

http://www.todayonline.com/BreakingNews/EDC100201-0000202/Female-suicide-bomber-in-Baghdad-kills-54,-wounds-over-100-Shiite-pilgrims

“Judicial Accountability Must Safeguard, Not Threaten, Judicial Independence: An Introduction”
Sandra Day O’Connor

http.law.du.edu/index.php/denver-university-law-review/past-issues

Here is an excerpt;

“This simplistic understanding of accountability—judicial accountability for the majority’s desired substantive outcomes—ignores the role of the judiciary and indeed the very structure of our democratic governments, State and federal. Worse, this perversion of the concept of judicial
accountability threatens to undermine the safeguards of democracy and liberty that were so brilliantly conceived by those who first designed our governmental institutions and drafted our Constitution.

In short “[p]opulist, substance-based accountability for judges is precisely what the Founders feared[.]”1

The Framers placed at the core of the judiciary’s design the concept of judicial independence as a means to guarantee the Rule of Law. Judicial independence is the vital mechanism that empowers judges to make decisions that may be unpopular but nonetheless correct. In so doing, the judiciary vindicates the principle that no
person or group, however powerful, is above the law. And it gives life to the promise that the Rule of Law safeguards the minority from the tyranny of the majority. ”

This is the first time I’ve been here! I’ve been reading some of the posts and Great Job! You are now bookmarked!

Good to know jbjd is still at it.

The source was listed up there right before the jump but the link wasn’t right. Thanks for pointing it out.

http://azcapitoltimes.com/blog/2010/01/18/bill-would-require-presidential-candidates-to-prove-us-birth/

barry is eventually going to have to answer Rep Deal’s letter…unless Deal caves. I’ll have to check out what’s happening.

Just suppose by chance, Obama gets ousted based on eligibility before the 2010 or even the 2012 elections, what are these elected officials going to do? Will they jump to the other side of the issue so as to help secure their election or re-election? Will they still believe Obama is a ‘natural born Citizen’ and cry dirty politics? etc., etc…

You would think they would be very careful about this issue and support HB 2441 to assure an ‘eligible president’ is elected for the benefit their constituents and the people of Arizona.

Can you please direct me to the source regarding Rep. Krysten Sinema statements as those statements may come in handy?

The individual state legislatures provide the election laws for their state, the federal government does not. The legislature can and should define ‘natural born Citizen’ in this bill and any way they want, within reason, since the term is not directly defined by the Constitution and the courts.

So the candidate has to be eligible in that this state law would basically say, ‘you have to play our rules to be on the ballot’.

Several other states have already enacted laws requiring the state political party to verify that the candidate is eligible for the job. Complaints have been filed to these state State Attorneys General to investigate. Copies of the complaints have been sent to the media with no response. No action by these AG’s has occurred, yet. Texas is a little different though as they have laws requiring public disclosure of the state political partys’ information.

Go here to find out more.
jbjd.wordpress

This is just another reason why a state government official or at least a panel or committee must qualify the presidential candidate so the candidate is allowed on the ballot. With this, there must be a law to define what a ‘natural born Citizen’ is, otherwise the the glass of water is only half full, if not empty. Remember, the line has to be drawn somewhere for a law.

Election law must be direct and defined to eliminate conflicts, inconsistencies and to provide for no loop holes.

You must be new to the BC issue because what you quoted are the NEW DOH guidelines – instituted AFTER the issue of barry’s COLB came to light.

Here’s what it used to read before they changed it some time in June 09:

In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout).

Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

Meaning that COLB wasn’t even good enough for their own records.

When requesting a certified copy of your birth certificate from the Records Section of DOH, let the clerk know you are requesting it “ForDHHL Purposes,” and that you need a copy of the original Certificate of Live Birth and not the computer-generated Certification. If mailing in your request form, please fill in “For DHHL Purposes” in the “Reason for Requesting a Certified Copy” section.

Link to original language.

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiiRuleThree.jpg

Wow you’ve been busy.

Ok let me if I have this right. I have dyslexia so I have to write it out as I think.

You sent:

1-DNC SC – no clause
2-DNC SD – no clause
3-DNC HI – with clause

Jackley: said they were vetted correctly but made no mention of how or by whom.

Secy of State is the one responsible for certifying the pres/VP.

The state constitution didn’t say anything about the words “constitutionally eligible” just laid out the procedure.

Ok. The next question is – what did the Secy of State use?

Did he use just the DNC-Pelosi OCON without the clause?

Also, what did he use for the primary ballots?

Questions for the SoS.

1-How are the candidates placed on the ballot?

2-Do they have to provide in writing a statement attesting they are constitutionally eligible? Like did barry sign something himself that has his signature.

3-Does the state democratic party certify the candidate for the primaries before they are placed on the ballot?

4-Request a copy of the paperwork that was used to certify the Democrats for the primary and general election. There should be something from the state dem party.

In the cases in CA and NJ, the judges ruled that the SoS had no legal obligation to look for proof themselves and that the state/national party officials were the ones responsible.

What is key is what the SD state democratic party says in their rules. Are they responsible for certifying the candidates in the Primary and does that rule actually spell out the words “constitutionally eligible”.

Up above in the post, the scrbd copies contain the Hawaii Dem Party’s certification that barry was the dem party’s primary winner as well as Pelosi’s. SD has to have their own.

There also has to be a SD state board of elections that outlines the requirements. And they have to supply the information.

My guess what you’ll find:

Primary: SoS took for granted barry was eligible – the state party did nothing to qualify him and barry himself did not have to provide a signed statement he was eligible. So he ended up on the ballot with no one certifying him.

And for the general election, the SoS used the Pelosi DNC OCON (SD-no clause). Meaning that no where along the line was he actually stipulated to as constitutionally eligible…unless the SD Dem Party vouched for him, in which case they can be asked what THEY used to make that determination.

I guarantee you that eligibility clause is written in the SD Dem Party election rules and the person responsible for doing certifying barry to the DNC as SD’s general election candidate knows full well they screwed up because they had no proof barry was constitutionally eligible but said so anyway.

Even though you are a republican (right?), you can communicate with the state Dem Party chair and ask those questions and they have to provide the paperwork. Just make sure it is phrased as a Freedom of Information request. All your requests should contain those words. Your legislator friend has to know the SD statute for FOIA.

I’ll bet you can find most of the information online or with a phone call. If you’ve got good skills on the phone, you may get all the info you need. After a year of barry, the person answering the phone may be ready to talk!

SD Secy of State
SD Dem Party
SD Board of Elections

Once you have those forms/information, then you can go at Jakely again with the proof via certified mail. He probably won’t do anything but your concerns will be on file.

Good for you for getting out there and doing something. I had to look up the players to see what side of the fence they’re on. I don’t know what you are referring to as a “typo”.

1-What exactly did you take copies of? One with the Constitutional clause and one without?

2-Does SD OCON have the Constitutional clause on it or just the generic?

3-I get why Sen Thune’s office would say that, and as the GOP, they don’t have to say anything.

4-What exactly did Jackley say? Did he specify how the candidates were “vetted correctly”? As in who vetted him and what specific proof they used?

5-The key: Does SD require someone to vouch that the candidate is “constitutionally eligible” and if so, who is the person responsible? Do the candidates have to sign or submit proof themselves?

The SD Secretary of State is the person responsible for making sure the people put on the ballot meet the requirements of the state. If there is nothing written in SD’s election paperwork that a candidate be certified “constitutionally eligible” then it’s a dead end.

You could ask the Secy of State for the paperwork used to vouch he was eligible. Most likely they will say they never checked…it’s up to the DNC…

As for why Nanci Pelosi signed two copies?

Hawaii requires that Constitutional clause be stipulated to [in writing] by the DNC in order for the democratic candidate for president to be put on the Hawaii ballot.

She had no way around it in Hawaii. And it seems that none of the other 49 states required that clause to be included on what Pelosi signed, which is why they got the generic form without the clause.

That’s why two forms were used.

A rational being then asks: if the more complete form was necessary for one state, why didn’t they use that form for all states? Why mess with two forms?

Because if he is not Constitutionally eligible, she can get away with sending forms without stipulating to it to 49 states and hope Hawaii keeps their mouth shut since he is their native son.

The mere existence of 2 forms proves he is not constitutionally eligible and proves without a doubt Pelosi knew that when she signed the two separate forms.

Make sense now?

If not, let me know.

Your instincts were right, Thomas. Which is why the AG said the matter was closed – to hope you just go away.

I’m sorry for what happened to you. And for bringing up those memories. It was never your fault. Know that 100%. What he did was wrong and it will always be wrong. No matter what people who weren’t there think or believe. Be proud of yourself for not letting him win. You rock.

i am a former victim now in my 30′s. i never forget, it’s haunting.
it happened at 13. if only i could turn the hands of time. your defense makes me feel better and i wish i would of read something like this when i was 13. please understand that to go into details is torture for me to hear what happened to thers as well. it causes me to re-live my exp. but to hear you write so boldly clear it is rape – nomatter what is empowering. spread this piece of yours.

I have to wonder why folks get such satisfaction with each ruling and why there are blogs and forums that do nothing other than ridicule and laugh.

Is there ever a moment in the day when you stop laughing and realize what it would mean if barry is not eligible to be POTUS?

Is there never a moment you have wondered why he is going to extraordinary lengths to prevent his past from being exposed?

And how do you feel that there is no free media in the US? That the press has never vetted barry and have been spinning propaganda since before he was elected?

If you are so certain barry was born in Hawaii, please reveal his actual physical birthplace.

She already had her day in court in this case. Now she’s trying to defend why she brought the case and shouldn’t be fined $10K.

Yesterday, Taitz was in court out in California (included in her filing was that eBay Kenyan birth certificate) and the judge did not make a ruling.

99.9% he will rule to dismiss the case because there is no “standing” just like all the other cases. I explained this out front.

http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/standing-why-none-of-the-bc-cases-go-to-discovery/

Just know that the cases aren’t being thrown out because barry was proven to have been born in Hawaii.

I put an update on the birth certificate cases out front in response to another reader.

http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/kyle-update-on-barrys-birth-certificate/

It’s easier if you have specific questions so I know what you’re already aware of and what you’re interested in.