Lou Dobbs, Roland Martin, Rep Poe re: birth certificate

July 23, 2009

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CNN Lou Dobbs takes on the birth certificate issue this time with Rep Poe, a co-sponsor of Rep Posey’s barry soetoro birth certificate bill and Roland Martin, who is back to his campaign rant. A very different tone than his ha-ha this is funny CNN commentary. Just watch with the sound off. Rolly is one pist off dude – even as he tries to shrug it off as “hilarious”.  I’m with Shakespeare here – methinks Rolly doth protest too much and he better get himself under control. The whole media needs to.

Lou Dobbs says something interesting that I have never heard before:

The State of Hawaii says it can’t release a paper copy of the president’s original birth certificate because they say the state government discarded the original document when the health department records went electronic some eight years ago.

When did they say this? It is entirely new info to me. Janice Okubo and Dr Fukino never alluded to that. Why wouldn’;t Dr Fukino have mentioned that? I have to find out what is going on. If this is a new statement it is quite curious indeed.

Aloha, native Hawaiians. Anyone have their original copy from less than 8 years ago?

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LOU DOBBS: And the left-wing media launching an all-out attack against me because I simply called for transparency on the issue of the president’s birth certificate and said the president is a U.S. citizen. A comment, by the way, that was not quoted by the left-wing media. We’ll examine this controversy in our face-off debate here tonight.

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DOBBS: I think the president of the United States is a citizen. But what I don’t understand is why he hasn’t just produced it to get this — this noise out of the way.

I believe Barack Obama is a citizen of the United States, folks. Don’t you? But I do have a couple of little questions, like you. Why not just provide a copy of the birth certificate? That’s entirely within the president’s power to do so. Then, all of this nonsense goes away.

I don’t know what the reality is. Do I believe he is a citizen? Yes, I do, absolutely, but I — I would think it would be a nice thing to produce that birth certificate.
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DOBBS: Isn’t it interesting not a single outlet in the left-wing national media, just that little part of the national media, chose to include a single one of those quotes from me? We will have much more on the issue of the president’s birth certificate in our face-off debate — next.

DOBBS: President Obama promised transparency and openness in his administration. Yet, he’s chosen not to release his original birth certificate or a copy of it. And a number of Americans are asking, why not? The left-wing media has attacked me because I simply asked the question.

Meanwhile, the state of Hawaii says it can’t release a paper copy of the president’s original birth certificate because they say the state government discarded the original document when the health department records went electronic some eight years ago.

That explanation, however, has not satisfied some critics.

[I think this will be new information to a lot of people.]

DOBBS: Joining me now, Roland Martin. He’s CNN contributor, syndicated columnist. And joining us as well, Congressman Ted Poe. Before we get started, I want to be clear where I stand, because the — the left-wing media kind of forgot to leave out — kind of left a few things out. It was inconvenient to their stories. Just — just one statement, very quickly, if you will. Play that.

==========AUDIO CLIP JULY 21============
DOBBS: I think the president of the United States is a citizen. But what I don’t understand is why he hasn’t just produced it to get this — this noise out of the way.  I believe Barack Obama is a citizen of the United States, folks. Don’t you? But I do have a couple of little questions, like you. Why not just provide a copy of the birth certificate? That’s entirely within the president’s power.
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DOBBS: Why not? That’s the question, Roland Martin. What’s the answer?

ROLAND MARTIN, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, first and foremost, he’s produced the document he received from the state of Hawaii.

[Has never been established that COLB image on the internet came from the state of Hawaii. Dr Fukino’s spokeswoman said she couldn’t say what that COLB was.]

MARTIN: Now, you are saying, where’s the original? According to the state of Hawaii, that is the document that establishes where he was born. So, what is the issue?

DOBBS: So, you don’t think…

DOBBS: So, you don’t think the president has a copy?

MARTIN: No, but what is the issue?

DOBBS: Well, the issue is…

MARTIN: I mean, he’s the president. He’s been certified. He’s in office.

DOBBS: Well, he’s a president. I mean, he’s not like a — I mean, you make it sound like he’s been anointed something beyond that.

MARTIN: No, no, he’s a president of the United States, the 44th.

DOBBS: Yes. Yes.

MARTIN: So, what — what is the point? I mean, exactly where is the story in this? If he has presented a document, the state of Hawaii has confirmed that — that he was indeed born there, what’s the issue?

[The state of Hawaii has not confirmed he was indeed born there. Period. That is the issue.]

DOBBS: Ted Poe, Congressman, what’s the — what’s the issue?

[REP POE unfortunately gets some things right and others wrong. Why can’t folks understand this? And it’s interesting he only uses the masculine pronoun in reference to future presidents.]

REP. TED POE (R), TEXAS: Well, the president has not produced a birth certificate. He has produced what is a birth announcement from the state of Hawaii. And this could all be settled if he would just produce the birth certify call. And that’s why we have introduced legislation that, in future elections, that the president prove that he is a resident for 14 years, that he’s over 35, and that he’s a native-born American. And that applies to everybody, and we get rid of all this controversy, and we move on down the road.

MARTIN: Congressman, it’s nonsense. First of all, you were a state judge in Texas. I was born and raised in Houston. I remember seeing your stories all the time. My dad, when I got him got a passport, he didn’t have his original birth certificate. He went to the Houston Department of Health and got a copy of his birth certificate. It satisfied his passport, satisfied the State Department. So, how can you say that’s legitimate; oh, but the president has not presented what the state of Hawaii said is an official document with their seal on it?

[ROLLY: THE STATE OF HAWAII HAS MADE ABSOLUTELY NO COMMENT ABOUT THAT COLB. There is no definitive evidence of a seal on that COLB – the back side is not shown in entirety. State Dept does not = Constitutional. Your dad got a copy of his birth CERTIFICATE. barry has not yet shown his. Period. This is all very straight forward.]

POE: Because it is not a birth certificate. It’s not even a copy of the birth certificate. It is a birth announcement. It is like me sending out a birth announcement for one of my children…

MARTIN: No. What is in the newspaper is a birth announcement.

POE: And that’s what it is.

MARTIN: That is an official document. What is in the newspaper is a birth announcement, Congressman. Come on.

DOBBS: Let — let — if I may interject…

[Lou gets the name wrong but has the right idea. CNNbots are barrybots and they put on the screen “OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE” even as the whole show is about the fact that it is not a birth certificate. They know people are visual and it’s subliminal as well and how many people already turned down the sound so they wouldn’t have to hear Rolly rant like the proverbial fat boy protecting the jock?]
rolly & lou
DOBBS: … do we have a — could we just put up a copy of that certificate — certificate of live birth? What you are looking at there, which I believe is the copy that comes from FactCheck.org or Annenberg, there’s no reference there to the attending physician. There’s no reference there to the hospital in which he was born. It is a certificate that refers to the fact that another certificate exists.

MARTIN: Is it an official state document?

DOBBS: I’m sorry?

MARTIN: Is it an official state document of the state of Hawaii?

DOBBS: Well, let me try this again, so I can be really clear about it. [Watch Lou’s face.] It is a document that says there’s another document. It does not include that — you are referring to your father’s birth certificate. A copy of his birth certificate would have the doctor, the hospital that he was born in, correct? And this is the — and, by the way, this is just what people are concerned about.

MARTIN: No, no, whose people, first of all? You got 13 percent…

DOBBS: … 600,000 people who have signed a petition.

[Now it’s off in they think he is a Muslim and that’s why they want it. That is so tired Rolly let it go. Does anyone know what religion McCain, Clinton or Biden are? Did they do surveys? And how many people think Gov Palin is an Evangelical who banned books? And who started that rumor?]

MARTIN: Six hundred thousand. Thirteen percent of Americans, 39 million, still think he is Muslim. [He says Mooslum!] And we have done everything, Lou, to debunk that as an absolute lie. So, it is irrelevant.

[Rolly, how does whether 39M Americans think he’s Moos-lum or not have anything to do with his birth certificate? Absolutely nothing. They already have a copy of his school registration that says, Religion: Moos-lum. As you said – he’s president. What religion he is or is not (BTW: Has he picked out a church yet now that it is more politically expedient not to have one?) has nothing to do with his constitutional eligibility.]

DOBBS: OK. If you want to make it irrelevant, that’s fine.

POE: Well, I don’t know why you are getting so…

DOBBS: Yes, go ahead, Congressman.

POE: Well, I don’t know why you are getting so upset.

MARTIN: Because, Congressman, you probably — because you probably have better things to do, Congressman, than this silly little law here.

[If it’s so damn silly, Rolly, why the testiclesteria?]

POE: … certificate for McCain. They were — your side was…

MARTIN: No, no, no, no, Congressman. Congressman, let me correct you with something.

POE: And, so, he produced his birth certificate..

MARTIN: Congressman, I want to…

POE: … territories of Arizona.

MARTIN: Congressman, Congressman, nice try. But, first of all, I voted Republicans and Democrats. So, don’t try the “your side.”

[Rolly, you just ain’t on your game today. You said up there “WE have done everything, Lou, to debunk that as an absolute lie.” So, yes, it is your side – not to mention all the things you’ve said and how proud you were to vote for a black man.]

MARTIN: I thought the left-wing people were nuts as well. I just want to correct you on that one.

POE: Why are you so upset? Produce the birth certificate. That’s all you have got to do.

MARTIN: No, no, because it is silly. It is silly.

MARTIN: It’s silly.

MARTIN: Are you losing sleep over this?

DOBBS: Look, Roland, look, Roland…

MARTIN: I mean, Lou, are you losing sleep over this?

DOBBS: Roland, here’s what I would like you to do. I would like you to remember, if you would — and I’m — and I’m trying to be as nice as I can be, but you are yelling and you’re getting awfully excited about something that, you know, doesn’t require this level of…

MARTIN: Well, I think it is hilarious.

[Rolly, quit while you’re ahead. You thought it was hilarious in your rant and your tone matched. Your tone is very different tonite. Not only aer you pist – you are desperate and very much worried – which is most curious. What did you learn and from whom? And remember that whatever happens, barry and Michelle decided to put their egos ahead of their precious daughters’ futures.]

DOBBS: Then laugh. But don’t — please, don’t…

MARTIN: But it’s utterly hilarious, Lou.

DOBBS: The congressman might take your remarks a different way. And I’m asking is that you just — you know, relax just a bit.

And let’s take a look at headlines from “The New York Times,” if we may, from last year, when at — at question was Senator John McCain’s citizenship, and see if we can see a difference in the way in which they have approached this — this issue.

This is “The New York Times.” “A hint of new life to the McCain birth issue.” “McCain’s canal zone birth prompts queries about whether that rules him out” — The New York Times,” and, in July of last year, with an article. I mean, it goes on. The issue of “Justices turn back on a challenge on Obama that has stopped squall of Internet-fueled rumors.” There’s an obvious difference in tone here from “The New York Times” when talking about John McCain than there is when they were talking about Barack Obama.

MARTIN: And I don’t care about the “New York Times” tone. The issue there…

DOBBS: But I do. And that’s why I bring it up.

MARTIN: Lou, your issue, though, is about a certificate. It’s not about how the media is covering it.

[The two go hand in hand. Had the media vetted him – had the media not been corrupted – this would not be a issue. Period.]

DOBBS: No, no. No, no.

MARTIN: So, which one is it?

DOBBS: My — my issue is this, OK? When this could be dispelled so quickly, and — and simply by producing it, why not do it?

MARTIN: He has produced a document that is satisfactory, but it’s not satisfactory to you. So, Lou, he’s not here to satisfy Lou Dobbs. He’s the president of the United States. He probably has other things that’s on his mind than satisfying Lou Dobbs.

DOBBS: Yes. And does that, then, what, just dismiss the concern?

MARTIN: No. He has presented a document that is legal. In the state of Hawaii, it is legal. It is a document. It’s there. Now, because you’re not satisfied, OK. And, Lou, if this…

[No one has confirmed that the document – which is just an image – is legal. A Hawaii COLB is legal in Hawaii but his has not been proven to have come from there. Call it semantics but it’s true. And what’s making people wonder – what is adding to the legitimacy – is the fact that he refuses to release his birth certificate.]

DOBBS: Don’t worry about my — don’t worry about my satisfaction.

MARTIN: No, no.
MARTIN: Lou, you’re the one who is still making this an issue.

DOBBS: No, no, please. Again, did you hear what I said?

MARTIN: Yes.

DOBBS: I believe he’s a citizen.

MARTIN: OK. So, why even continue the story? Is it keeping you up at night? It is a non-issue. It is irrelevant. You say so many Americans care.

[All citizens should care. It’s called the Constitution.]

MARTIN: No, it is an irrelevant issue. It’s been established. He’s the president.

DOBBS: All right. All right.

MARTIN: What is the big deal?

DOBBS: Is there a big deal here, Congressman Poe?

POE: Well, I don’t know that it’s a big deal, but the best way we can prevent anything from happening in the future is produce the birth certificate.

And, if you’re going to — if you have your child that wants to be in the little league, you have got to show up with the birth certificate. You have got to prove that he’s a resident. And why can’t the president do that? And that’s all this legislation does, so that, in future elections, we don’t have these disagreements, we don’t have these problems.

DOBBS: Yes.

POE: Just produce the birth certificate. The document from Hawaii is not a birth certificate. That’s the bottom line.

MARTIN: This document…

POE: It’s a legal document, but not the birth certificate.

MARTIN: Congressman, Congressman, this document couldn’t pass by the little league in Hawaii? I mean, I think, if you were still sitting on the bench, you would say this is another one of those irrelevant, useless lawsuits that we see every single day.

POE: I probably wouldn’t say that.

MARTIN: You were a tough judge in justice. And you would probably say, come on, give me a break. Move on, guys. This is a waste of the court’s time and Congress’ time.

DOBBS: So, you’re not content to speak for yourself. You’re going to speak for Congressman Poe as well.

MARTIN: You know what? As somebody who watched him every day, he was a tough judge.

(LAUGHTER)

DOBBS: Congressman, Congressman, you get the last word here.

(LAUGHTER)

POE: Well, without belaboring the point, in the future elections, you know, the president — candidates — now, this has come up. It came up with Romney. It came up with Goldwater. It came up with McCain. Now it’s come up with Obama. Let’s just get over this by producing a birth certificate in future elections, prove the person was in the country eight — 14 years, they’re over 35, and we won’t have these disagreements. And I think that’s what we ought to do. That’s…

DOBBS: Congressman Poe, by the way, is a co-sponsor of Congressman Posey’s legislation to do precisely that, which he introduced back in March.

Thank you very much for being here.

MARTIN: I will bring my birth certificate in next week, Lou.

[Sorry, Rolly, Lou gets the last laugh.]

DOBBS: You don’t need to, because some would suggest that would be absolutely irrelevant.

(LAUGHTER)

DOBBS: Congressman Poe, thank you very much.

One Response to “Lou Dobbs, Roland Martin, Rep Poe re: birth certificate”

  1. mattie14 Says:

    Hi Smrstrauss

    There is the statement from the two officials and the statement by the PR representative of the department that this meant that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    Okubo (PR REP) has never seen the original birth certificate therefore she cannot make any judgment as to what is on it and she certainly cannot say what they “meant” unless there was another statement. It is hearsay. If there was to be another statement or clarification it would have come from Dr Fukino. She knew of the continued questions and requests for clarification and she made none.

    Okubo said later she could not say what it was – after she looked at an emailed copy of the COLB.

    Still, she acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

    This is what she also said with absolutely no mention of the scanning 8 years ago:

    “There’s only one form of birth certificate,” she said, and it’s been the same since the 1980s. Birth certificates evolve over the decades, she said, and there are no doubt differences between the way birth certificates looked when Obama was born and now.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/01/worldnetdaily/birthers-claim-gibbs-lied-when-he-said-obamas-birt/

    What Lou said (which I cannot verify as true as yet because I have not seen a source):

    The State of Hawaii says it can’t release a paper copy of the president’s original birth certificate because they say the state government discarded the original document when the health department records went electronic some eight years ago.

    Dr Fukino made no mention of this in her statement – she says original birth certificate. Original means original.
    My CAPS:

    “Therefore I, as director of health for the state of Hawaii, along with the registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/01/worldnetdaily/birthers-claim-gibbs-lied-when-he-said-obamas-birt/

    barry admitted he had a copy of his birth certificate in his possession at one point and there is no evidence to the contrary that he still does not have it. He at least knows what is on it and therefore knows that the COLB is not the same.

    They don’t routinely send out a copy of the birth certificate but they can when it is requested. Straight from Gov Lingle’s office:

    * Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or “registrant” according to the legal description from the governor’s office
    * the spouse or parent of the registrant
    * a descendant of the registrant
    * a person having a common ancestor with the registrant
    * a legal guardian of the registrant
    * a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.

    https://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/barry-has-free-access-to-his-own-long-form-birth-certificate/

    Yes, babies not born in Hawaii could get a COLB prior to 1972 on the word on one relative as long as the parent resided in Hawaii the year before the child’s birth:

    [§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.

    (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

    https://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/colb-vs-long-form-birth-certificate/ (comments)

    As far as Kenya – I’ve read and heard that recording with Grandma Sarah. She is not credible – she lied about being Muslim. And I can’t imagine the Dunhams allowing their only child – a teenager who got pregnant out of wedlock by a man she had just met -to travel to Africa in 1961. Washington State, yes.

    I have never put any stock in the Kenya issue.

    Though I question why barry has absolutely no resemblance to barry sr.

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