Howard Dean, Chris Hayes re: birthers

July 30, 2009

Birth certificate posts

Another find in the drafts. July 28th Countdown. Howard Dean’s covering for Herr Olbermann. He talks with Chris Hayes from the Nation. They say nothing new. Dean brings up the Hawaii resolution as if that will seal the deal. Not. And then he brings up the barry soetoro birther bill, which just gives him away. They also show clips of Mike Stark’s stalkerazzi videos (here and here) of him running after Representatives. Worth a watch for a laugh.

CAPS used to separate – not shout.

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DEANThe Obama birther conspiracy theorists will probably never accept the facts, and certain Republicans have been more than willing to fan the flames of this phony controversy.  But in our third story on the COUNTDOWN, those Republicans in the House of Representatives have blinked, forced to vote on a resolution recognizing Hawaii as the birthplace of our 44th president.

A RESOLUTION HAS COMPLETELY NO LEGAL AUTHORITY. IT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

But let‘s admit it, it was never fully resolved when he was a candidate for president.  This persistent question about whether this man is a natural born citizen of the United States, particularly since he was not born in any of the United States, and now this very man is president of the United States?  No, this man is the defeated candidate for that office, Senator John McCain.  Since Senator McCain was born in Panama on a military installation.

AND YET THE SENATE MADE THEIR OWN MCCAIN RESOLUTION – A MUCH MORE FORMAL RESOLUTION – AS REGARDS JOHN MCCAIN BEING A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. HOW LAME CAN HE GET?

DEAN: Granted, most Constitutional scholars agree that this still makes McCain a natural born citizen, but some scholars have said it‘s not a clearly settled area of law, which makes the Obama controversy all the more ludicrous by comparison, since the president was born in Hawaii, one of those facts that some fringe elements refuse to accept.

HOW DOES HE KNOW THAT? HOWIE NAME THE HOSPITAL AND I’LL BELIEVE YOU.

DEAN: So last night, as part of a resolution celebrating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii becoming a state, Democrat Neil Abercrombie inserted this language: “whereas the 44th president of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii.”  The resolution passed with 378 aye votes and zero nays; 55 representatives did not vote. But no one voted against it, including the nine House Republicans who are supporting the so-called birther bill that proposed that pretends to care about documentation for future potential candidates, and a reminder about how hard it is for some Republicans to simply admit that President Obama is a natural born American citizen.

PRETENDS TO CARE? THAT IS WHAT THE BILL IS ALL ABOUT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BARRY UNTIL 2012. AND IF BARRY WAS BORN IN HAWAII – WHY ARE THEY ALL MAKING SUCH A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT?

DO YOU HEAR THE MADNESS? HE JUST GOT DONE SAYING MCCAIN’S STATUS WAS NOT CLEAR – SO WHY WOULDN’T HE WANT THE ISSUE TO BE CLEARED UP FOR ALL FUTURE PRESIDENTS? AND WHERE DOES HE MAKE THE LEAP TO REPUBLICANS NOT BEING ABLE TO ADMIT BARRY IS A NBC WHEN DEAN HIMSELF CAN’T ADMIT THE NAME OF THE HOSPITAL BARRY WAS BORN IN?

THEN THEY SHOW MIKE STARK FROM FIREDOGLAKE STALKING REPRESENTATIVES WHOSE NAME HE DOES NOT KNOW NOR THEIR PARTY AFFILIATION. LINK TO THE TWO VIDEOS ABOVE. THEY’RE PATHETIC. STARK STANDS AND WATCHES ONE MAN TAPING HIM FOR 20 MINUTES. ONE REP HE RUNS AFTER – INSULTING ALL THE WAY – CALLS HIM THE SCUM OF THE EARTH. AND TRENT FRANKS FROM ARIZONA WHO HE PRAISES JUST RECENTLY THOUGHT ABOUT BRINGING A LAWSUIT AGAINST BARRY – BUT HE SURE PLAYED STARK AND GOT HIS FACE TIME.

DEAN: Let‘s bring in the Washington editor of “The Nation,” Chris Hayes.  Good evening, Chris.

CHRIS HAYES, “THE NATION”:  Good evening, governor.

DEANThat House vote—first when pressed, it looks like no House Republicans could bring themselves to question that President Obama was born in Hawaii.

AGAIN – LAUGHABLY MEANINGLESS. YOU GET A RESOLUTION WHEN IT’S YOUR NAME DAY IN YOUR HOMETOWN.

HAYES: Yes, I mean, look, these aren‘t—these people aren‘t idiots.  I don‘t think anyone actually believes that he wasn‘t born in Hawaii.  Or I will at least charitably interpret their actions as being cynical, as opposed to insane and think that this is essentially a ploy to kind of stoke the base, in that they don‘t want to be caught looking like idiots.

That‘s why you see the discomfort [HE WAS STALKING THEM – WATCH THE VIDEOS – LINKS ABOVE] in members when Mike Stark, who is a great blogger and writer, who is the man in that video and doing some great work for Firedog Lake—when mike was tracking those Republican members down, that‘s why they don‘t want to answer the question, because they‘re caught in this pincher between sort of respectability and the fringe elements of their own constituency.

DEANDoesn‘t that suggest that certain Republicans want it both ways, that they‘ll vote as they did last night, but they‘ll also continue to say and do things to keep the fringe element of their base active and engaged on the birther nonsense?

HAYES: Yes, I think that‘s exactly right.  You know, back in 2006, I was reporting on a somewhat similar kind of conspiracy theory going on about an impending North American Union.  And you actually have a lot of House Republicans, Virgil Goode, recently defeated from Virginia, he was a sponsor of a resolution coming out against the North American Union, and against a currency that would unite Canada, the US and Mexico.

This was all, you know, emanating from a similar sort of element to the base.  The difference is that no one ever called it out.  And so they were allowed to kind of simultaneously stoke this kind of stuff amongst the base, and still present this respectable face to the Beltway establishment.

HOW DOES THIS EVEN COMPARE TO WHETHER BARRY IS CONSTITUTIONALLY ELIGIBLE?

DEAN Senator Jim Demint spoke to the Heritage Foundation last night.  He, of course, is now infamous for saying health care could be President Obama‘s Waterloo.  Of course, this is a Republican and he encourages that.  And while the speech was very critical of the president, Senator Demint later told the “Huffington Post” that, quote, he, Obama, is not only a citizen, but he‘s our president, and he deserves our respect.  He referred to the citizenship issue as nonsense. So why haven‘t we heard more of this from other Republicans?

HAYES: Well, you know, I think because—for two reasons.  One, I think they thought they could get away with just sort of stoking this.  So now that they‘ve been kind of caught with their hand in the cookie jar, I think you will see a little bit of a break.  I mean, there is this famous moment in the mythology of American conservatism in the 20th, when Bill Buckley sort of cast the Birchers and the conspiracy theorists out of the conservative movement on the ‘50s.

And there are some who are kind of calling for a similar situation to go on right now with the birthers.  The question is, how many people can the right afford to cast out?  It‘s a very small constituency relative to the electorate at this point.  So there‘s sort of a sense in which they want to activate everyone they can get.

DEANBecause the state of Hawaii keeps getting flooded with requests, the state‘s health director again issued a statement saying HE had seen Obama‘s actual birth certificate and he was born in Hawaii.

HE’S SO CLUELESS HE THINKS DR FUKINO IS A HE. AND SHE DID NOT SAY THAT SHE SAW HIS ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE – SHE CHANGED HER WORDAGE FROM “ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE” TO “ORIGINAL VITAL RECORDS“. (SIDE BY SIDE) CAN’T THEY SEE HOW RIDICULOUS THEY LOOK MAKING FUN OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT?

So as this birther conspiracy gets shot down again and again, how much do you think the Republicans risk if they continue to attach themselves to it?

BY DEFINITION IT CANNOT BE REFERRED TO AS A CONSPIRACY UNTIL BARRY’S ACTUAL PHYSICAL BIRTHPLACE IS PROVEN.

HAYES: Well, I think they risk respectability.  I‘m not sure how much reputational capital is left in the Republican party at this point.  Its approval ratings are in the basement.  It‘s sort of at a nadir.  You kind of wonder how low it can go at this point.

So I think there‘s a certain element within the party that just kind of wants to double down, circle the wagon, consolidate the most extreme elements of the constituency, and try to wage and kind of wait for everyone to wake up to the impending road to serfdom and socialist revolution being inaugurated by Barack Obama.

But that‘s not really a winning long-term political strategy.  And at some point, I think some other people inside the constituency are going to rebel against that—that direction.

WHY IS IT THEY THINK IT IS JUST REPUBLICANS?

WHY IS BARRY LOSING SO MANY INDEPENDENTS?

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